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Originally Posted by jfrog
A few of my observations:
#1. No one has elaborated on why the "magick" in the bible must have been "real" and not just illusions / power of suggestion.
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The lone passage that 'Toot referenced (
Exodus 7) was clearly written 1,000 years after the Exodus itself. This makes it difficult to determine the exact intent of the writer(s). Was the writer intending to give a literal account of every detail described? Or was the writer employing one of several literally genres to illustrate a point?
In any event,
Exodus 7:13, attributes these events to a broader program whereby God Himself is said to have been working to "harden the heart of Pharaoh." Whatever did happen, or appeared to happen or was said to have happened, it was God's work and not the "power" of a "sorcerer."
In
2 Timothy 3:1-9, Paul sums up the activity of blasphemous men in these "latter days." He compares them to the two "sorcerers" from Pharaoh's court who had "withstood Moses." Interestingly, Paul even uses the names of these "sorcerers" - (Jannes and Jambres,
2 Timothy 3:8) - names not provided by the Word of God, but from an old Jewish legend.
Read down the list of deeds that are attributed to such "sorcerers." Never once do you see any mention of "magick" or "supernatural power" nor even the ability to call and control "spirits."
Instead, Paul references the exact same passage that Flutemaker did, except Paul uses this to warn of "heady, highminded" and "proud boasters" and "false accusers" who go about "creeping into houses" to deceive the people of God.
Forget those fairy tales of "magick," I'm standing with the Apostle Paul on this and warning of deception.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
#2. No one has offered any evidence that magick is real. I've heard alot of claims that it is. I've even heard slightly more specific claims that it gives power over animals and weather, however, I have not heard any specifics about any of these claimed incidents. I am starting to wonder why the specifics aren't offered. Maybe the mystery around these incidents is what makes them believable and once that mystery is taken away then its easy to see through the claims? If that's not it, then do those claiming its real have any excuse as to why they don't give more details?
#3. If magick in the bible was real (like the exodus stick to serpent account) and if magick today is real then a practitoner of magick today ought to be able to throw down a stick and have it turn into a serpent. I've not heard anyone claiming that is possible. For some reason this question was quitely read over and forgotten about earlier in this thread... (Oh how it makes me wonder...) So does anyone know of a person that can throw down a stick and have it literally turn into a serpent? Is such a thing even theoretically possible using the magick yall practiced?
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You have offered some very valid observations here frogger. Responses?
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