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Originally Posted by Nibenon
Question, If you must believe in it for it to effect you, then how did Simon in Acts hold an entire city under his sway?
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Aquila and I obviously have different takes on this subject, but in response to your question: The people of Samaria obviously believed in the power of Simon's sorcery.
Acts 8:9-10.
Notice in the further context that neither Philip nor the Apostles when they arrived, gave heed to the "sorcery" or claims of "magick" or whatever. The Christians simply went about their business and acted like the "sorcery" didn't exist and that it wasn't even a consideration when it came to Christian living.
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Originally Posted by Nibenon
Also, Energy is an integral part of everything we do. Ask a professional martial artist. They will tell you the effects of Energy, beit Ki, chi, chakra, or any other term. Spells are real. And many are affected by them.
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... because the "many" to whom you refer believe in the efficacy of these "spells."
Also, I see something of a leap in logic in your statement here. I do tend to agree with the first part concerning "energy;" but it does not necessarily follow from that that "spells are real." Simon was powerless and impotent in the presence of the Apostles and Philip.
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Originally Posted by Nibenon
Consider this. If you wanted to harm someone, would you tell them about it so that they would be on their guard? No. Same with spells. You don't inform them you are casting one on them, so you can capture them more easily. It's not in the power of suggestion. Most magik comes from demonic forces.  Therefore by your "real deal" you are contradicting yourself. 
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Almost all of the "spells" that I have heard of involve some sort of token being sent to the target. A chicken head on the doorstep in Santeria (Haiti, West Africa, etc). Even the Celts left jack-o-lanterns at their "victim's" door. Summoning fear is a primary catalyst in the whole process of intimidation.
I have even seen it in this current discussion. Those who question a particular "party line" are being assaulted with attempts at intimidation and fear. Statements like "You don't believe the Word of God!" and "You oppose God!" are hurled about as if they were the "new" incantations. People are being bullied into forming up in the "appropriate" queues and those who ask too many questions are derided and dismissed.
Typical behavior from the practitioners of "magick." I say, "bunk."
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