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Old 05-24-2010, 07:19 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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I assume you're asking if someone doesn't have another man perform the baptismal ritual properly (whatever proper means) on behalf of the baptizee would they go to hell.

The answer is of course not.



I again assume that you're asking if redemption by the blood of Jesus Christ unto an individual hinges on the performance of the preacher during baptism, the answer is no. Redemption doesn't come through the sinner's confession + another man's performance during baptism + Jesus Christ's finished work on behalf of that individual. That's placing another man's 'righteous' work between the individual and God instead of accepting that there is only one who is the mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.



Yes. But baptism isn't essential to redemption. There is a difference between redemption, reconciliation and salvation. In other words, a person does not have to be baptized to go to heaven but must be baptized to enter into a covenantial relationship with God through identification with Jesus Christ which is a part of salvation.

We are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb....has nothing to do with baptism.


Mark 16:16
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


John 3:18,36

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

vs 34-36
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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