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Originally Posted by mfblume
These men have uttered absolute error. Unbelievable error. One cannot be part of the body of Christ without knowing the name of Jesus. Jesus said that no man comes to Father but by Him. So how can one come by Him when one does not even know his name?
If he did not degrade the bible subtly by using my words that quoted John as a contrast from Jesus words, when in reality he was in effect accusing John the apostle of being false prophet, and suchlike, I would agree. But not now, personally.
Debating or not is one thing. But claiming one could go to glory without Christ is another.
How can anyone suspect a Moslem will end up in heaven by believing the muslim faith, and that Christ's sacrifice on the cross has nothing to do with absolutely the only way one can get to heaven, and consider themselves apostolics, or true Christians in any sense of the word?
In all due respect, your words shock me. But I still love you. 
A journey is one thing. One still can be led to Christ if one is still journeying. But a destination considered for one who lives and dies a Moslem, having not accepted Christ's sacrifice as the only way to God, is quite another. The Word tells us the fate of those who do not know Christ as Saviour. The word dealt with the issue of people's destinies in light of their position in regards to the cross. If that does not change, one is lost without this plain issue of the cross.
Me, too. But I will agree with John and say I cannot pray God bless him if he brings not the same doctrine John brought from Christ.
I wonder if you agree with WII that John disagreed with Jesus in his second epistle. This is nothing personal against you, since I do not know you. I am just relating words that I sincerely believe reflect what the Bible says. And in hopes of pleasing all men at the cost of standing with what the word says, I cannot agree with your position. |
I'm not necessarily endorsing the Graham statement. I was shocked when I first heard of it. And Mike, I'm not pronouncing "heaven" on anyone. I know what I believe and I'm empowered daily by the power of the Holy Spirit. My desire is that every person on earth experience that! I'm just saying this:
1) If Jesus can pray forgiveness on the man who drove nails through his hands, I feel like I can pray blessing on WII. One could argue that forgiveness is an incredible blessing.
2) All I'm saying is that if there's some little chance that somehow I, and others, have misunderstood something in the Bible (and it happens), OR, if God has a plan that none of us know about and Muslims are in heaven, I'm not going to storm the throne and say, "Hey God, what about
John 14:6??"
I haven't really kept up with the contradiction debate. But I did read a little and learned a lot so I'll catch up at some point. You are accomplished in your apologetics and I'm clearly not the debater that you are, largely because I don't like debating, and maybe because you're a lot smarter!
WII is also a very accomplished debater, it appears.
I've honestly never given much credence to the contradiction claims...what is it....400 and something supposed contradictions?
I think you and I are a lot closer in theology that it appears, but I think that maybe I'm willing to consider possibilities and you're not and I'm anxious to pray a prayer of blessing on a non-Christian and you're not?
I want God to bless everyone, ultimately, with the blessing of salvation and eternal life!
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