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Originally Posted by easter
1 Peter 4:1-6 preaching to the dead
I once heard a preacher give this account on preaching to the dead...
Can you imagine those folks before the coming of Jesus down in the Heart of the earth...I bet when those old testament saints heard from John the Baptist when he got there,he said ;boys get ready,Hey Isaiah,you know the one you told was coming?Well praise God you were right,even in describing him!Can't you hear Simeon and Anna,Oh John is right we saw the messiah as a baby in the temple of God.
Yes I bet there was some preaching going on and when Jesus took the keys of death and went down to the heart of the earth and got all the old testament saints,why even a few was seen walking the streets in Jerusalem.I bet there was a hallelujah going on in Heaven.
I always did like this sermon!
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The problem is however it was a dupe. How do we know?
Well this great preaching session that supposedly took place in Hades never happened! If it did we would expect that a great man of Elohim like David would have heard this message and then been resurrected from the dead.
Is that what happened? If so do you think apostle Peter would have known about it? Did he believe David was taken away into Heaven when Yeshua rose from Hades/Sheol?
29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both
dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30: Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31: He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that
his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32: This
Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33: Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34:
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35: Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:29-35
Peter is preaching the first sermon of the New Testament Church! He just spent 40 days with Yeshua
AFTER HIS RESURRECTION in which he was taught the great truths of the kingdom of Elohim.
In his sermon he expressly taught that at that present time David was both dead and buried. The only one he taught whose soul was not left in Hades/Sheol was Yeshua! He expressly said that it was
HE not David who was raised from the dead.
He expressly taught that David
DID NOT ascend into Heaven. Verse 34.
If such a sermon was preached in Sheol to the supposed saints who were there why was David not included with them in their trip to Heaven? Did he die lost?
Paul said exactly the same in his own teaching.
34: And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of
David.
35: Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
36: For
David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God,
fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Acts 13:34-37
And finally if indeed Yeshua went to Hades/Sheol (Greek and Hebrew terms for the same place) what did Paul mean by this?
Speaking of the future resurrection at the last trump:
51: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53: For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and
this mortal must put on immortality.
54: So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55: O death, where is thy sting? O
grave, where is thy victory?
1 Cor. 15:51-55
Look at verse 55. The word
grave is actually
HADES in the Greek!
If Yeshua took the righteous saints
OUT OF HADES/SHEOL at his resurrection why does Paul say at the last trump resurrection
THEN victory will be won over it?
What is it about Hades/Sheol that at this present time still has victory?
If we were only talking about dead bodies this would have no meaning at all. The doctrine of "instant heaven" does not teach that
BODIES of the Christians go there!
In their doctrine it was
SOULS that went to Hades. And in the sermon preached by the Preacher you mentioned they should have all of them been taken to Heaven with Christ amen?
Yet why does Paul teach the Church that Hades has the victory over the saints until the last trumpet resurrection of the dead?
Is it not because the saints are still there? Dead in the grave
WAITING IN SLEEP TO BE RESURRECTED?
Nothing else makes sense for verse 55.
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