How close should a pastor get to the members?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes but the point I have been making is you don't have to be a Pastor in order to experience this AND associating with only other Pastors is not going to fix that.


yes but it appears as a class. Look..a non Pastor can experience the same thing from a pastor or a non-Pastor..so what is that person to do? Stop associating with both? See how easy it is to view this as a class issue?


SO what if another Pastor finds out that Pastors kids watched a movie? Or what if that saint found out another saints kid watched a movie? The problem there is about being human, not a distinction between classes. We are, perhaps unwittingly, turning it into a class issue. Can a Pastor trust ANY Pastor? I have seen Pastors at their worst here on AFF...I know some can't be trusted anymore than a non-Pastor. So even a Pastor has to be careful which friends he has amoung the Pastors. It's not about being a non-pastor that makes one untrustworthy.


Well see, exactly. This is my point. Discerning who you can trust has nothing to do with whether or not they are a pastor. This has been part of my point. Who you can trust has nothing to do with whether they are a pastor or not. Some will see that as Pastor bashing unfortunatly...but since I am saying this is the truth with ALL people I supposed I am bashing ALL people.

The truth is the truth....people are untrustworthy because they are humans, not because they are a pastor or not. When we make that sort of distinction we are, whether one wants to admit it or not, creating a class distinction and division.


But what does it say...at least to non-pastors, when the ONLY "class" one thinks they can trust are Pastors? It does create a class division. It does look as though the statement is "Pastors you can trust, saints you can not"...and the truth is there are a LOT Of saints out there that a Pastor can trust.

I see you talking but all I hear is blah, blah, blah.

Bro, you lack wisdom.