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Old 10-15-2008, 01:04 PM
Antipas Antipas is offline
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?

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Antipas, you are cherry picking your facts here. The partition didn't run "Palestinians" out of the Israeli side. First of all, the term "Palestinian" is relatively new. At the time in 1948 there was no state in what is now Israel and Gaza and the West Bank. NO STATE. going back to just after WW1 the League of Nations indicated that there should be a move towards the creation of 2 states in the area. the Partition was simply a follow thru of that much older plan.
That wasn't a plan the Palestinians were happy with bro.

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It should also be noted that no Arab who lived in the Israeli side of the Partition had their land confiscated. and ALL were offered the right to stay and be part of the state of Israel. Some did stay and their families are still part of Israel to this day.
Wow. You mean to tell me that if the UN partitioned the land you lived on and gave you the right to live under Native American authority you wouldn't feel violated? A number of Americans would.

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Some didn't and these joined with the 5 Arab states that attacked Israel in 1948. Israel won that war, and tried to force these Arabs that fought against them back to Jordan. Jordan would not have them back (many had immigrated from Jordan with the promise of land). Jordan wanted them to stay in refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza because it gave them (Jordan) claim to the land.
True. But this is a result of the initial problem...partitioning land by UN edict.

That is also part of this story that isn't being told here.

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Israel was perfectly fine with a two stated solution at the time and many Arabs in the Israel side were fine with it too.
Whoa....that's WAY too simplistic. Please note, in a 15 July 1937 editorial, David Ben Gurion implied that partition could never be an acceptable long-term solution: 'The Jewish people have always regarded, and will continue to regard Palestine as a whole, as a single country which is theirs in a national sense and will become theirs once again. No Jew will accept partition as a just and rightful solution.'

That was in 1937. You are sweeping the entire Zionist movement under the rug and ignoring it. During the Zionist Congress, Ben Gurion supported the proposal to partition Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. At the same time, he delivered speeches which made it clear that he did not accept partition as a final solution: 'If I had been faced with the question: a Jewish state in the west of the land of Israel in return for giving up on our historical right to the entire land of Israel I would have postponed the establishment of the state. No Jew is entitled to give up the right of the Jewish nation to the land. It is not in the authority of any Jew or of any Jewish body; it is not even in the authority of the entire nation alive today to give up any part of the land'... ...'this is a standing right under all conditions. Even if, at any point, the Jews choose to decline it, they have no right to deprive future generations of it. Our right to the entire land exists and stands for ever.'

Let's face it...the complete annexation of Palestine was on the Zionist agenda from the start. Only a fool would deny that.

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However some were not and the Arab states around them were not. It had very little to do with a store keeper wanting to keep his store and being run off by Jews.
Again an over simplification.

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I don't like having to put this one side out by itself. Anyone who knows anything about this history understands that there have been wrongs committed by both sides. Everyone ought to be able to agree that the sources of the violence are many and varied and trying to boil such a complex problem down to one simple thing. "Palestinians" want their land back". Is simply not accurate. Not because that isn't part of the equation but because it is only part of a larger and much more complex picture.
If you don't like only one side of the story being told....tell us about the Zionists and their rejection of the two state solution and their radical agenda to completely annex Palestine.

You've over simplified and completely ignored so many unsavory details it's unreal.
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