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Old 07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post

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This is absolutely true!!!! There is a HUGE difference between someone out of hand rejecting Jesus and someone who has surrendered their life to Him but who does not have a perfect understanding of the godhead. Neither Peter, Paul nor Jesus EVER condemned someone for an imperfect understanding. Jesus DID, however, say that there would be many who did miracles in HIS name and preached in HIS name who would NOT make it to heaven.

Sin disqualifies any of us, but there is a HUGE difference surrendered trinitarian and a self-righteous oneness person. In that situation, the "trinny" has a gazillion times greater chance of making it to heaven than the oneness person!
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If you think that surrendering one's life to Jesus means nothing more than saying a prayer and continuing on in sin, then I can understand what you mean, and agree with it.

But that is not what I'm saying and you have heard me enough before that you should know better. I'm talking about people who HAVE surrendered their lives to Jesus, the real deal, no kidding, no playing, truly from their hearts. God knows when they have done this. A cute little prayer without the heart doesn't get the job done.

I mentioned a PERFECT understanding, not just understanding. NONE of us have perfect understanding. A PERFECT understanding is NOT a requirement for heaven...surrendering one's life to Jesus Christ IS.

I wonder WHICH "flavor" of oneness understanding you are referring to? There are many iterations within the oneness movement. So which one of the iterations is the REAL oneness/apostolic version and the ONLY one accepted by God?
The problem I have with this is that it handicaps the Holy Ghost as not having the power to "lead" someone into all truth. This is problematic to me when I look at men such as David Wilkerson, who by all intense purposes is probably a good man, with a good heart, doing a lot of good for drug attics and others. But yet after all these years, the Holy Ghost has yet to be able to lead him into an understanding of principle doctrines of baptism in Jesus Name. Not dogging DW. Just using him for an example.

What I find funny is that some of you that continue to believe that water baptism is not salvational, but still correct in scripture, never address the issue of the fact that some people either stop being lead by the holy ghost (LOST), or reject the correct mode of water baptism (LOST). So you are left with either a Holy Ghost that didn't do its job, or you are accepting someone as saved that has rejected the truth of the Word.


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