Who then can be lost?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

However, if an issue is truthful and solid, you cannot tear it down.

When I was in the automotive engineering industry, during the prototype phase of new vehicles, our engineers would do "pull" tests on all of the welds.

They had performed a weld study based on computer calculations, and thought they had sufficient amounts and placements of welds in a particular panel, but the ultimate test was the "pull" test.

In essence, they took a panel, and grabbed it with clamps, pliers, pneumatic chisels, etc and tried to tear it apart. If the panel came apart too easily, it was back to the drawing board, or computer.

But, if they pulled and pulled, applying the same amount of torque and stress that a car may experience during a crash, and the weld spots held true, they knew they had been successful.

Same should be with our idealogies and paradigms.......if they can't stand up to the "pull' test, we probably need to go back to the drawing board.

Very true.
In the end, if the only argument is "No one who <fill in the blank> will make it to heaven" or "No one who doesn't <fill in the blank> will make it to heaven" is all you have, all your doing is arguing from the standpoint of tradition and are too bull headed to change.