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Old 02-02-2008, 09:10 PM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America

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Dude, do you know how expensive it is to pay for cancer treatment out of pocket? I'm so flabbergasted I'm convinced that's the dumbest assessment I've heard on this subject.
Dumber than spending ourselves rich?


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We're not talking about saving up to buy a used Toyota. We're talking about health care for a family of five. Do you know how much this companies are extorting from our preachers for their health insurance? I know a pastor who pays over $700 a month for health insurance.
Big deal. I've been acquiring health insurance for my family the past two years via an individual policy for $960 US per month.

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Bro...that' kind of accusation is pathetic.
Actually, the pathetic accusations are the ones about me being demonic or satanic.

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I know of a few good charity hospitals. I also know there's a wait to get in. Yes a percentage of uninsured in America's uninsured are uninsured by choice. But when many of them are suddenly taken ill or enjured they go to the hospital and find themselves unable to pay the bill. Every year 25,000 Americans declare bankruptcy over medical bills they can't pay. Some of these are those who choose not to have insurance because they were dumb enough to gamble with their health and financial well being.
I have a family member that's totally uninsured. She's what you'd classify as the "non-virtuous poor." She has an unimpressive work ethic etcetera, and yet she received a replacement heart valve and a state-of-the-art pacemaker at no charge.


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While they wouldn't like it, it would be better to force them into the system. If they plan right they can afford it. Please note...when they can't pay their bills they pass the cost back down to us in higher premiums. You and I pay for them with premiums that nearly break our family budgets. . . .

That's part of the problem I agree. In my opinion a single payer national health insurance system would be far better.
I've done the math and I would be light-years ahead financially if I decided to cancel my insurance and pay cash. My wife cannot work up the nerve to take such a leap of faith.

The IDEAL of the single payer system might be better than what we have now. Implementation will be anything but ideal. Think of the recent reports of the atrocious conditions at Walter Reed Army medical center. That is government health care.

Again I say (and probably for the last time) that your heart is in the right place. You just have no ability to conceive of the unintended consequences of absorbing 1/7 of the U.S. economy into the control of the government.

We don't have a problem of lack of insurance. We have a problem of an overabundance of health insurance. And lawyers. The insurance companies are running the show and calling the shots on prices, on one end, and our immoral litigious society is running up malpractice premiums on the other end. We've very nearly removed all incentive for bright young people to go into medicine.

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