Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Evang.Benincasa]

PART 2

Originally Posted by bishoph

Have any of you ever thought about the fact that a woman who preaches, teaches, prophesies, etc under the authority of her pastor has not execised any authority other than what has been granted to her by the "authority" that we are all to be subject to.......the Pastor.

Sounds interesting, but you have no Biblical standard for what you are presenting above? Jesus sent out His apostles two by two, and who was over whom? Even though it may sound interesting concerning Biblical reality it is only an opinion.

Originally Posted by bishoph

In 1 Ti 2:12 "But I do not allow a woman to teach, on her own authority over a man" On her own authority would be where we get the idea of "forced" authority.

Could you please produce the Greek text where you found the above?
Are you now using conjecture to argue your position? I have to tell you that what you're saying above is NOT found in any Greek I have ever seen, but I would be interested to see if what you're saying has any back up from any Lexicon, dictionary, or translation.

Originally Posted by bishoph

In other words she is not submitted to anyone and no one has extended her the "right" to speak. However, when she is submitted to authority and that authority gives her the ok she is not speaking of her own accord but by the same spirit as her leader.

Sounds quite fabulous, but when in Sam Hill did you come up with it?

Originally Posted by bishoph

Remember it is like the hair issue (as he ducks to avoid the sledge hammers) and many others that we build a doctrine on from one scripture yet we warn others not to build a doctrine on one isolated scripture.

Sorry, but what you're saying is very unfair in light of the many scriptural posts that were presented in this thread. Instead of coming up with what you posted here, you may have taken a shot at what was already posted.

Originally Posted by bishoph

(I know on women and silence some of you think there are at least 2) However, when you compare all of scripture with Paul's statements you must conclude that either he was trying to establish something new for the Church age, or we may not have a proper understanding of what he was addressing in the Corinthian church.

There is no doubt to what Paul is writing in Timothy because Paul mentions Eve. Paul is showing how Eve's tutorial with the Serpent ended in disaster, and so as to not allowing it to happen again Paul issues orders to insure that no women teach adult men, married or un-married.

Originally Posted by bishoph

If you study church history you will find that in Corinth as in many Synagogues they had gender separated seating with (depending on which historical account you rely on) the men on the ground floor and the women in an upper balcony. According to MANY historians what apparently happened was that while the preacher/teacher was speaking the women would interrupt and ask questions of clarification and sometimes nearly open debate concerning the preaching. Thus Paul's instruction in 1Cor. 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (This is not speculation this is historical fact according to church historians)

Many historians? Really, do you happen to know which of the many came up with the above story? This is also where you prove my point. Why were the women segregated in the first place? Doesn't even seem as if they were on common ground with the men, so why would a class of people who are segregated be teachers to those they were separated from? I think you should ponder that wee bit of information. Also do yourself a favor and do some research on the historian who came up with your segregated church house and the bantering beauties.

Originally Posted by bishoph

You cannot have it both ways either a woman can prophecy=preach or she must be silent never uttering a sound while in the assembly of the righteous. JMHO

Titus saves the Sisters from the fate you chose them in your latter, as for your former a woman can teach but those she teaches cannot be adult married and single men.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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