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Old 09-29-2007, 10:47 PM
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Prax, respectfully, I think you miss the point.

Men have placed great sweat, tears, blood, energy, money, etc., into camp grounds, Bible colleges, church buildings, all the time believing that they were giving to something they believed in ardently. Now, they feel that all their work has been hijacked, or that their father's and mother's work, or their old pastor's work, has been hijacked, and now all of these assets to the Kingdom is being handed over to those who don't hold to the values that they hold to. It feels like theft. It makes them feel violated. It is NOT the org. It is what they have put INTO the org, and cannot have if they leave. If they want to keep the use of these things, they have to be willing to be part of something that believes differently than they--that has a lifestyle different from their own. They see the path now towards even more things that they don't believe in. It hurts them deeply.

These are good men. These are men who have preached a message that you have received, and likely would have never found had they not. These are men who had little chance for education but wanted better for the next generation of preachers. Some of these know what it is like to sleep in a tent, set on a rough hewn pew, and sweat with air conditioning, but through their labor of love--in their olden age they were going to enjoy something better, and their children, both physically and spiritually would do the same.

But, I am almost certain that these men will walk away, heads held high, a tear in their eye, and with a heavy heart--but they will not attempt to destroy that which they have loved. I believe they will go in peace. And, may the Lord richly bless them. They are MEN.

Sorry to wax so passionate, but this is a day that shall be long remembered. I choose to stay, but my hat is off to those who helped make us what we are, but who will no longer be among us. I am saddened, but I am encouraged by their strength and conviction.
I understood that. I think it's absurd. They aren't the only ones that put time and effort into an organization. It seems childish to me that if one group does not get it's way it's gonna be insulted and walk....the liberals could and have done the same thing. This resolution does NOT force them to accept the TV.

That is what is wrong with the UPC. It has become what was supposed to be a United effort to spread the Apostolic message around the world to a concerted effort to control the thoughts of all UPCers.

We should get rid of the Affirmation statement to begin with. We should return to our roots when we were still in the AOG and were full on against creeds with unbiblical language or terms and make only the bible our standard. We never should have attempted to leash or control our churches from using all possible means of evangelism and growth.

This org should have been bigger, but instead of being unleashed to focus on evangelism it has been mired in rules and legalism and political fighting for control
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