NT verses about who Jesus was/is

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Originally Posted by BCsenior

1 Timothy 3:16 and John 1:14
"God (the Word) was manifested in the flesh (as Jesus)."

So far so good, for you ... but, you REFUSE to believe this:

God the Word was with God the Father

John 1:1-2 NKJV
"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God."

Give it up, pal ... you're toast.

Oh wait, you're right after all ...
The Word was with the Father in His dreams!
Yeah, that's it.
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Lol.

You didn't read what I said about John 1.

1) The scripture says "the Word was with God.", not the Word was with the Father.
2) "The Word was with the Father in His dreams!" I didn't say that. Please go back to post 25, see what I said. That being said, yes the incarnation was God's plan from the beginning, see Gen 3:15.

BCSenior, I was Trinitarian, and while I was, I went to a theology institute. I know what you believe very well and the arguments for it. I studied Oneness as a false doctrine in that institute as well. I'm not an ignorant of your arguments and thoughts.

One thing, trinitarians don't call that "manifestations", why do you use that term?

Regarding this:

Jesus said the Holy Spirit will come ... and ...
"He will teach you all things" (John 14:26).
All spiritual things.

Those who are not born-again ...
will NOT have all spiritual things taught to them.
True in both OT and NT.

Let's quote the whole verse:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Do you really think this verse is saying that the Spirit will reveal to the people after the Apostles (e.g. the Second Council of Nicaea) a new doctrine that the Apostles didn't preach?

The plain reading of the verse tells me that the Spirit will bring the things that Jesus said to their remembrance and will give them full understanding of what Jesus said also in the context of the Scripture available to them (OT).

Also, the Church was founded by the Apostles. They got the authority to set the doctrinal foundation of the Church from Jesus, and we need to "continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine" Acts 2:42. Any other doctrine or Gospel or "new revelation" that came after that is all garbage. Trinitarianism happens to be one of those "revelations" that came after the apostles.