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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
Neither one of those. That everything was made that was created with the Logos in mind. He made the world with the Logos as the blueprint, the same as Him telling Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
The text didn't show pre existance of Jeremiah, but forethought. The same as the Logos that's how Jesus can say in John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." But God being the one who worked the beginning from the end, being the God who was, who is, and is to come He exists in all those time periods simultaneously had glorified Him already. Nothing is hidden from His sight.
To go in explaination past that will be impossible; because I may can understand it fully in thought, expressing it fully is impossible in human language.
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Jeremiah wasn't said to have prophesied from the beginning. Paul said God made all things
by the Son, which implies actual activity on the Son's part. Which only makes sense when we take into account the fact that the Son is the Word made flesh, and it was the Word by which all things were made. And as Genesis reveals, God made all things by His Word (And God said, etc).
The Word is God revealing Himself, God's self-revelation to the creation. So the Word is more than just "an idea in the Divine Mind", for a logos is not merely the mental concept behind a word, but the word itself, in actuality. Does the idea of the Logos include the Divine Plan? Sure. But it goes much deeper than that.