Christianity is a Jewish religion

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conclusion

Originally Posted by nateswift

Like ANY magic (which is an attempt to coerce whatever power is involved) or idols that sit on the floor or around your neck or on your bookshelf or in your wallet.

The point being that any such is an insult to God and a VERY poor attempt to control what we have no business trying to control. "Black Magic" is the kind that attepts to gain power through things that bring horror to the human consciousness, like murder, or necromancy or boiling a lamb in its own mother's milk.

Originally Posted by daqq

It has nothing to do with black magic. It is an idiom as Hanni already suggested. Paul clearly speaks often about the "milk of the Word" which are the elementary and beginning things. Not boiling a kid-goat while it is still in its mother's milk can be read as "not while it is still milking" or nursing. So it is "in its mother's milk" just as one is "in Messiah" or "in the milk of the Word", and so on and so on. Thus it implies, do not overburden a child with things that the child is just not ready for; because you might scramble or fry his brains like an egg, (another similar idiom meaning the same). Now if one goes back to look at the context in which it is given; it speaks of the timing of something critically important, (especially in Exodus 34:26 where it is connected to the first-fruits of the harvest).

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

That is what I would say even if you came to the simple understanding Jews have, Jews will get two refrigerators because some will not even keep the milk and cheese in the same box with meat. Paul said there were things he wanted to teach them that they could not bear because they were babies still on milk and they were not studying the Torah as Paul wanted them to, he wanted to give them meat they could never eat.

Originally Posted by daqq

That simple Pharisaic and Talmudic understanding is superfluous in my case because I do not even eat any carcass of flesh that was formerly a living soul, ("You shall not kill", period, without stipulation). I could be wrong but I think Paul understood the same. It all starts with the Ten Words which are first and foremost physical and straightforward in meaning; then the supernal unfolds out of those Ten.

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

It's hard to make a call when you are raised a gentile and you still haven't read all the traditions and ancient concepts to make a call on some things, that is how it is with me, If I don't understand something, maybe it is because maybe I haven't run across esoteric symbolism of ancient Jewish tradition and so I am talking about something that I do not know about unless I was raised as a Jew becoming a Rabbi knowing everything a Jew would know. I am just a gentile trying to play catch up, O these years from Dec 1998. 35 40 years of filling my mind with pre conceived ideas looking at a religion I refused to lean until 98.

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

I have heard this used before as a way to rationalize a law.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Do you suspect the passage about Christ eating fish, then? And the others; the one "Peter, rise, kill, and eat;" which is acknowledged to be about bringing Word to gentiles--on the one hand, at least. Ty

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

yes, it is difficult to interpret the many references to eating meat that would seem to endorse it as ok. But there is that one, disturbing ref to "never eat meat again," too. Been wondering about that one.

Originally Posted by daqq

Exactly, as freely admitted by Nateswift, and it occurs most often when a mitzvah or command is not understood and appears to come out of nowhere without explanation. The only reason it appears to come out of nowhere to the natural mind is because the natural mind does not understand that he himself is likened to Esau, who is hairy, like a sa`iyr, (that is indeed what Yaakob says of him in Genesis 27:11 where sa`iyr is used instead of se`ar, [hairy]), and thus Esau is likened to an hairy sa`iyr-goat. Boiling is tribulation, great tribulation, and related to the harvest; let the wheat and the tares grow up together until the harvest, it is all about timing, and do not boil a gediy-kid-goat while he is yet in his mother's milk, that is, while he is still nursing on the milk of the Word, (let the twins grow up together and the angels will sever the wicked from the righteous in the consummation of his age).

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

O daughters of Jerusalem, ''seek not love until it is time.''

Originally Posted by nateswift

I am not trying to rationalize it, I was suggesting a purpose or a rationale for the prohibition. I see no other that exists in the real world, the base for any spiritual speculation. Someone else may. What is the intent behind seething a kid in its mother's milk?

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Nice, ty, that resonates with me, a meat eater, for some uncomfortable reason. So, i was hoping you might reflect upon the rather strange "never eat meat again" thing, since it is common for those with eyes to associate "meat" with Word. That is, if you have anything there, ty.

I had this one specifically in mind;
1Cor8:13
Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

but, what the heck; if the OP is amen~able, may as well drag out what i got, from a search of "never eat meat again."

Lev22:13--wherein i am having to change translations, to shoehorn "meat" in here, as it is also variously translated as "food" or "bread;"
But if the priest's daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned to her father's house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father's meat: but there shall be no stranger eat thereof.


And finally
Isa62:8
The LORD has sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give your corn to be meat for your enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink your wine, for the which you have labored:


Which only uses meat as a metaphor, but i got nudged that maybe i should toss this one in, as we are exploring meta~phorically and all. I guess if i searched differently, maybe dropped the "never," we would get some interesting reflections~some more stuff to knosh, if you will~but i am about to get CD or something anyway, so i won't overload you.

Or, for that matter, anyone with some Word here, please feel...um, Free!

Originally Posted by daqq

1 Cor 8:13 -- broma (food) and kreas (flesh)

1 Corinthians 8:13
13 διοπερ ει βρωμα σκανδαλιζει τον αδελφον μου ου μη φαγω κρεα εις τον αιωνα ινα μη τον αδελφον μου σκανδαλισω

G1033 βρῶμα broma (ɓrō'-ma) n.
1. food, i.e. that which is chewed.
2. (ceremonially) especially articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law.
{literally or figuratively}
[from the base of G977]
KJV: meat, victuals

Broma and brosis speak of those things which Elohim has ordained as "food" for eating, (which is first spelled out in Genesis 1:29). Paul is usually using forms of these two words when he speaks in such contexts as this and others, (i.e. foods sacrificed to idols and so on). However it is kreas which indeed means the flesh of animals but it is much less frequently used and simply means the meat of a butcher, (it is used only two times and the other is Romans 14:21 where Pauls says, "καλον το μη φαγειν κρεα", "It is good/virtuous not to eat flesh" [krea]). When the KJV Bible was first printed "meat" did not always specifically mean flesh as it typically means today, rather, "meat" was simply another way of saying "food" and could mean bread or other types of food besides the literal meat or flesh of animals. This is why you see many places where lechem, (bread), is rendered as meat, (as in Lev 22:13 which you referenced). It simply means bread or food, that is, sustenance, staple food essentially. We therefore do need to be careful about lechem and how it is rendered in whatever translation one prefers to read. One of the more interesting places would be Numbers 28 where the Father tells us what is His Bread, the bread of His ascending and fire offerings. Does the Father eat bread? You bet, but it is obviously not physical bread, and yet He will indeed sup with you if you offer up your offerings by the commandment in the name of His Son, (do you have a perfect Lamb?). Do you have lechem-bread to offer up by fire? He has made His angels spirits and His ministers a fiery flame. Your ascending offerings can only come from the adamah altar of your heart. Three times daily with the window of your chamber open toward Yerushalem, (of above), is the prescription in Daniel.

Originally Posted by Richard1965

It says, "Do not murder."....There's a didference...

Originally Posted by Richard1965

What's it like over there where you are at in Olam HaBa?...

Originally Posted by daqq

ratsach-murder-kill -- no there isn't.



We were set apart lepers: now we are only set apart.

ah. and ah. ty.