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Old 11-03-2016, 08:57 AM
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Re: What is the GOSPEL?

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"We must apply that work of salvation to our lives, since it does not happen automatically. And everything done to apply it to us are acts that prove we believe we cannot earn it , and prove God alone earned it for us through the work Jesus, our high priest, did."
Am I the only one that sees the direct contradiction of this statement.

Yes we apply the work of the cross to our lives, by faith. All the acts that we do after faith are what prove our faith. "if I say I have faith and do not the works my faith is dead, faith without works is dead". Works do not save me, "I will show you my faith by my works".

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Joh 6:28-29 Then they said to Him, "What should we do, that we may work the works of God?" (29) Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

It is a work to believe. Jesus said so himself! But that is not wrong, because that's not the kind of works the bible condemns. THINKING is a work, Godsdrummer. BELIEVING is a work. But it's part of what saves because it's not a work that earns salvation by proving our goodness and that we have no need of the cross.
This is where you twist the meaning IMO, and add to what Christ said. The work Christ speaks here is the work of faith. And that is where he stopped.
But Paul separates the work of faith from the works deemed of salvation.
"by faith are you saved and not of works least any should boast".


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The works themselves are not what save us in and of themselves. They are the works that prove we have real faith. But without that work then we don't have the real faith. that's why God would not have pronounced Abraham righteous if He foresaw Abraham would not be circumcised in obedience.
You make two statements here that are not scripture, IMO. "without that work we don't have real faith" and "God would not have pronounced Abraham righteous if he foresaw Abraham would not be circumcised"

You cannot say we don't have faith until the work is accomplished, nor God would not have pronounce Abraham righteous before circumcision" Because Paul states "was Abraham's righteousness counted before circumcision or after." The whole fourth chapter of Romans is about how our faith saves us before works of righteousness.
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