My point is that if Jesus were created then it makes verse 16 impossible to be true.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Who is the Him spoken of in verse 16? Whoever the Him is he did not have a creator because as the creator of all things He would have had to create Himself befroe he existed otherwise He would not be the creator of all things.
When you compare the colossians 1:16 with
John 1:3
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Again He someone is shown as making all things and in fact it here goes so far as to say that if He did not make it then it was not made. Whoever the is in this verse cannot have had a creator if we are to accept this verse for what it says.
So who do you say the these to verses are talking about?
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