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Old 05-15-2013, 06:19 AM
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Acquiring Godly Wisdom

Because today is "Shavuot" aka Pentecost it is a good time to learn the laws needed to be on our hearts before anyone can move beyond simple milk and become qualified to teach others the things of God. One cannot learn the required knowledge foundational doctrines listed in Heb.6;1-2 without first mastering the following three parts.

I apologize for the space used but I cannot link this without going to a different Christian forum



Part One

Dan.12: 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Just before the prophet Daniel was told to cease from sharing what God was revealing to him God told him that in the days of the end there would be an increase of knowledge because many would go to and fro acquiring Godly wisdom and teaching others how to do the same.

It is true that the world is experiencing an increase of knowledge and man has accomplished far more scientifically in the last few years than the sum of progression for thousands of prior years. Unfortunately while worldly knowledge has increased spiritual knowledge has all but evaporated from the world and in particular the church. However the words of Daniel offer hope because the Bible is not concerned with worldly knowledge but only spiritual knowledge. That is the knowledge that Daniel said would be increased in the last days that are now upon us.

Other than using dictionaries that are associated with the original languages the Bible is the only place where we will search for this hidden knowledge. Even then only through listening to His Spirit and obeying His laws will we be able to understand the Word of God. Obedience to God is not an option for Christians but because the truth is no longer being taught to them the penalty for not worshipping in truth has unfortunately been added to the list of “unknown Bible mysteries” that Christians continue to remain oblivious to.

On the other hand becoming skilled with God’s way for obtaining knowledge over mans way will result in additional gifts of the spirit no longer experienced by most Christians. This is because when one becomes a Christian there is a spiritual seed deposited in them that is “Christ the seed”. However that seed will never mature and grow into a fruit baring tree of the fullness of Jesus Christ until it is fed heavenly food (the hidden manna Rev.2: 17) that may be found only in conjunction with the spirit of Christ and the manner of Bible study that I am showing to you both working together. Unfortunately at the same time that the “Christ seed” in a Christian has not been growing the seed of the first Adam that is the spirit that has been their source of life from the very beginning back when they were in their mothers womb and is forever alienated against God, has continued to grow stronger in it’s earthly nature since first feeding from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

If the above is not already enough, along with the new found knowledge that will come from learning how to apply God’s Law to God’s Word there comes a penalty. Paul endured this same penalty that you too will endure because of the resulting schisms that will come to be because true knowledge coming from the spirit of the word causes a separation between children of the spirit from the children of the flesh that in the end will cause you to be called a heretic just as it did to Paul.

Acts.24: 14: But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and the prophets.

Before anyone ever heard Paul speak his beliefs he was already being called a heretic because of the manner how Paul studied the ancient manuscripts. Unfortunately for us over the years the definition for the word heresy has changed from what it used to be. ** However simply put the word “heresy, heresies, and heretic” as defined within the old languages means “disunion by choice, or “to divide and lift up”, or “to become one who divides and separates”. In more modern terms to be called a heretic under the old definition would refer to one such as myself who in accordance with God’s laws purposely takes verses out of context to build them line upon line and precept upon precept in accordance with God’s commandment. While many remain bound to the traditions of man and refuse to accept the Laws of God for instruction, these same laws provide us with a way for all doctrine to be proven or unproven with so much confidence in the truth that in time will cause the seed that is Christ within you to take root and grow into a fruit-producing tree in the image and likeness of it’s creator. In the following scriptures Paul spoke of this confidence gained through following God’s Laws for determining suitable doctrines.

1Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.

He.6: 17: Wherein God, willing more abundantly to show unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his council, confirmed by an oath:

18: That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.


So who does Paul say these people are that will come to understand the deep things and mysteries of God? ... THOSE WHO ARE THE HEIRS OF THE PROMISE!!!!

Considering all those mighty persons of faith listed in Hebrews chapter eleven that did such mighty deeds from building the Ark to stopping the mouths of lions, that as great as they were they still did not receive the gift of the promise to be given unto those whom God’s chooses to give the promise to. However before anyone whom God chooses to become an heir of the promise does so they must first understand that to be chosen by God is not to be chosen to rule over others. Instead it means that first you need to be prepared to be able to serve the spiritual needs of others just as Jesus and the Apostles did who continued in obedience all the way unto their death.

Throughout the church one hears the cry that one must keep Gods Word “in context” lest you change the meaning and pervert the truth. The teachers who teach this doctrine mean well however they do not have a single scripture to back up their claim. These teachers who still need to be taught the truth are only applying how to obtain worldly wisdom to the scriptures in hope of gaining spiritual knowledge in the same manner that children would employ to study for a high school history exam. Unfortunately for those who choose not to heed to God’s laws, God has specifically stated that those who refuse to learn things his way would be taken, snared and fall backwards rather than being moved forward into the perfection spoken of by Paul. Just what is the perfection spoken of by Paul in Hebrews 6:1 that if God permitting we are to move forward unto? ... We find the answer to that in He.6: 19,20

He.6 19: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

20: Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Hopefully what is registering to whomever reads this is that what is being said here is that the promise that will be given unto some is for them to posses the same soul that is the mind, will and emotions that Jesus Christ possessed that allowed God to work miracles through Him. This is the salvation that will be given to some to help them to manifest the truth as well as how those same Christians will become without sin, perfect and holy while still on earth just as Jesus has commanded us to be.

1 Peter 1:10 ( Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you

Jesus confirmed this same fact for us in Revelations

Rev.2: 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.


What is the morning star?........... Jesus is the morning star!

Re. 22:16( I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star

All of these things are to be given unto those whom are willing to take up their cross and follow Jesus on into the resurrection despite much persecution and tribulation. But what about those who say that I am wrong and the scriptures must always remain in the context that they are given to us in? Well for sure God never told anyone to leave anything in context and in truth He said just the opposite. I do not mean to imply that there is not any knowledge to be gleaned from considering chapters as a whole because at an entry level it is absolutely necessary because of the many times that the early part of the chapter will shed light on the latter part. However what I am most emphatically saying is that God has provided a specific set of guidelines for us to use to unlock Paul’s “mysteries” by applying the laws for determining the truth first given to Moses to whatever subject of the Bible that we desire to understand in both spirit and in truth.

Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

The above verse is just one of many times we can see in the OT to whom the entire Bible is written to and about. However in this particular instance this is the only time of the seven times (7 is the number of divine completion) that church pastors are spoken of in a favorable light. The other six times (6 is the number of man) pastors are spoken of God is telling us that it is the fault of the pastors (church clergy) that the church no longer carries the same glory that it did when men chosen of God were at the helm as they were when the Apostles were at the head of the church.

So what will be the dividing line between the pastors who are disobedient versus ones like Jeremiah who will heed to the voice of the Lord? (Je. 17; 16) What is it that they will do that will earn them the respect of God while in the other six verses pastors as a whole are warned of the punishment due unto them? In the following verse Paul lays this out to young Timothy who like us Paul is showing him how to become a church leader worshiping the Lord in truth while teaching others to do the same.

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