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Old 12-22-2012, 07:34 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

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Again, you create one straw man after another to argue with. But at least you finally answered my simple question.

Ummm, I already told you that I did not consider your question worthy of response it was so absurd.

But, don't worry....I'll have a few questions for you below & we'll see if you'll give a straight answer !


First of all, there is no "continuing application" of the blood. That is my point. There in NO application of the blood other than the one that happened 2000 years ago.

You're as wrong as a lesbian pastor! After the biblical new birth (belief, repentance, water & Spirit baptism in Jesus' name) the Blood is applied daily when we repent of our transgressions & sins.


Here, let me help you out of your error: "but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin."


***The Greek word translated "cleanses" above (καθαρίζει) is a present tense-indicative mood-active voice verb....which signifies the continuity of the action in the present.


When we qualify the subject of the 1st person-possessive-plural pronoun translated "us," as in His Blood "cleanses us" (i.e., continuously cleansing the NT church)....we see precisely where your error lies.


His Blood is textually presented as "continuously-actively-cleansing" the NT church....And Thank God for it!

Do you deny or accept the chosen grammar of the inspired Apostle John here or not:____________? (Answer please!).


In repentance/baptism, we simply put our faith in and submit to the righteousness of that blood. Through that past sacrifice, God justifies us and is then able to save us by his LIFE. Baptism into Jesus Christ is about death, but being raised with him by Holy Ghost baptism is about LIFE. And I'm not neglecting any aspect of soteriology. We can never have life until we have death. Until we put off the old man, we can never have the new man. What I'm refuting is the ridiculous notion fostered by some of my Apostolic brethren that one can be quickened by that life without having been pardoned in death!!: jolly

Not following you here at all?? I don't know of an Apostolic preacher alive who teaches that one can be saved prior to "death" (i.e., Repentance)?? Looks like you're the one erecting that big ol' straw-man!

I read the testimony recently of a former Baptist pastor who received the Holy Ghost baptism. It revolutionized his life (actually ,he had no life prior to receiving it.) Many years later, someone introduced him to the truth of Baptism in Jesus. Name. He said, and I quote, "It was then that I realized that, even though I had had been filled with the Spirit, the blood of Jesus had never touched my life". In other words, he believed he was till in his sins and under condemnation!! BBBWWAAHHaahhaa! HOW EMBARRASSING for the Apostolic movement that any one of us could believe such utter nonsense and BLASPHEMY!

What is "utter nonsense" is to say that this man was saved without having been born again of water, or having been buried with Christ in baptism for the remission of his sins (Acts 2.38; Acts 22:16; Acts 10:44-48; John 3:3-5)! Half-born babies do not usually survive!


The man was absolutely correct to be water baptized in Jesus' name....Just as was Cornelius! Oh, & lest I forget....There is neither Jew nor Gentile, so your anomaly argument w/ Cornelius does not posses the explanatory power to override the fact that he was water baptized immediately....& had to to be saved (& I can prove that from the text itself).


And I'll say it again. If that brother's sins had not been forgiven, then that means he had not truly repented in God's eyes. And if he had not truly repented, then he had NEVER received the Holy Ghost.....PERIOD.

Well, you can say it until the cows come home, but it will not make it true!

The biblical facts are that until one is water & Spirit baptized in Jesus' name (in no hyper-strict order) they are not in covenant relationship w/ God....Despite how many times you stomp your foot & scream otherwise .
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