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Re: entire stoneking message
For many years I thought the only main things that seperated me from my religious roots in the UPC was the stance on legalism and what constitutes salvation.
It was within the last ten years that the promotion of the ministries of Ruth Reider - Harvey and Lee Stoneking made me realize the gulf is a lot bigger than that.
I have been astounded that any group that wants to be taken seriously would not only allow these ministries to survive but help them flourish by promoting them within the fellowship.
Forget the doctrinal debate of Oneness vs trinitarianism for a minute. This detour into mysticism and fables takes away the credability you need to even get to that debate.
These type ministries have always been in old time Pentecost but were the fringe elements and not mainstream until the last 10 years or so.
Now the UPC embraces the same type thing we have always made fun of in the Charismatic world. Next I guess we will have some major UPC ministry claiming gold dust is falling in their meetings.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Last edited by CC1; 06-20-2012 at 08:44 AM.
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