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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

So is I understand you, you found that all denominations are still hell bound because of Dress? If you found the truth behind the preaching of Dress, than you have not studied what Paul was getting across in Romans 14.

No you did not understand me.


And how are you to view people out side of "this faith"? I ussume this faith is those that do not see your three step plan of salvation? Jesus himself on more than one ocation said he that beleive shall be saved. Peter on the day of Pentecost preached those that call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. John said those that profess Jesus is the Christ are saved those that do not are anti-Christ. I do not say we are not to go on to fulfill all righteousness, but as James says I say I will go on and show you my faith by my works. This teaching is not new half of the brothren that formed the UPC held to this understanding. Call it Calvanistic all you want, even Calvanist held high standards of Christian living. The point is where is our salvation in full effect, when we confess in faith our beleif in Jesus as our savior, or after we jump through the steps present apostolics teach as the plan of salvation?

Depends on where they are. If they are repented, I see their sins forgiven and a child of God by faith. If they have been baptized calling on the name of the Lord, I see them put into Christ's death. If they have received the HOly Ghost I see the Spirit has filled them and will quicken their mortal bodies to help them walk after the Spirit. Acts 2:38 says the same no matter what flavor the denomination. The Bible still teaches what each of these three steps does in our relationship with God and conquerance of the sin nature.


I want to respond to the points in this last area but I have to get to work personaly I enjoy this talk. So I hope you don't take offense in the way I present things too much. As far as I am concerned we are both going down the same road. As for what you say about me calling things false doctrine? I think men has taken what you call principles and turned them into standards. ie to define women wearing pants as mens apearal is to turn a principle into a standard, to take a principle of dressing modestly and turning it into abstanance of any kind of jewlery or cosmetics, turns a principle into a standard. this is what the religious leaders had done with the law of moses and what Christ reprimanded them for.

Principles have to be applied somewhere. I do not believe in the letter of standards like I was raised. I have seen the principles behind them and how they are carried out lean upon one another. THe desire to be Holy as the SPirit leads, Jesus would never rebuke. He however will rebuke someone who has a "holier than thou" attitude because of their outside, but empty on the inside.

God bless

God bless you also.. my response in red.