Faith Without Works...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

As I stated, some have come across as faith alone. Or, probably, I just misunderstood what they were saying as the wording wasn't plain enough.

When I'm thinking in a particular vein, you have to say things just right or I won't get it. LOL!

As I said NOBODY, NO ONE, Not ONE PERSON has ever said we can have faith and not obedience.

Let's get that settled here and now. Nobody here, nobody anywhere that I know of believes we can be saved or have faith and NOT be obedient.

The point is when it comes to being saved it's the content of your faith that God looks at, your faith in Christ's works...why? Because all OUR faith is as filthy rags.

So where do works and obedience come in? If you don't have works or obedience then you never really had real saving faith.

Nobody, NO ONE here is saying you can be saved and not have works or obedience, why? Because real saving faith will be evidenced by works/obedience

In other words if you don't have obedience/works you never did have saving faith and if you never did have saving faith God never saw the kind of faith that is required to be saved.

Those that believe in "faith alone" are NOT saying "You can do whatever you want"

They are saying that when it comes to God's reckoning, He is looking at our faith and not our works. If it was faith and works our works would condemn us

If by works then we are really messed up because "there is none righteous, no not one" and "Why do you call me good? There is none that is good except God". Those that say "faith alone" are saying that when it comes to God's criteria for being saved, He is looking at our faith not our works (thank you Jesus). But that by our faith, real genuine saving faith, we will have works. If not then you never had real saving faith to begin with and therefore.

Again you are putting the placement of the issue NOT in it's proper context

James is saying "faith without works is dead faith". He is qualifying what KIND Of faith is the right kind.

Galatians Paul is saying what God looks at when it comes to the issue of salvation, He looks at our faith. And what kind of faith is that according to James? It's the kind of faith that produces fruit