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Libs believe in salvation by works
While they shout grace they really believe works save folks. Grace is found in obeying the gospel message that cleanses the soul of man by His blood. Libs think being a 'good' person, being religious, being a family member, giving to charities, whatever saves. NOT the message preached and obeyed.
Their first argument is so and so did so and so and you think they are lost. So their works or being family saves them not the gospel.
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