Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

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Originally Posted by Maximilian

A religion that wants to have national holidays? How dare they!

I think most Americans are woefully ignorant of what’s going on in Europe. In Europe the Muslim community has gone as far as being politically granted jurisdictions where Sharia Law applies. In other words Islamic officials have the legal authority to enforce Islamic Law in areas with a rich or sizeable Islamic community.

Here in the United States there was a case where an Islamic man raped his wife (forcibly took her without her consent). The local court dropped the charges stating that they don’t believe he acted criminally…the man was acting in accordance to Islamic law that allows a man to subject his wife to such treatment. The woman had to appeal to a higher court to get the lower court’s decision overturned. While we thank God that the system worked for her and finally delivered justice, it shows how the liberal mindset of the European governments is seeping into at least one lower court in the United States. As the Islamic population grows (as in Europe) you’re most likely going to see more and more lower courts rule in favor of Muslims acting in accordance with Islamic law though their actions may have broken American laws. This is SERIOUS. We have to view Islam as more than just a “religion”. It is a political force and philosophy as well. Therefore we have to take STRONG political measures to isolate Islamic law to being a personal practice that our counts NEVER recognize.

They have an idealogy of a theocracy? Never heard of that before outside of Islam!

Any form of purely theocratic government can be dangerous. However, we are a Western people with engrained Christian values in our justice system. Some ideology will dominate. I’d trust our children to being raised in a Christian slanted culture over an Islamic culture any day.

I don't deny that Islam has an agenda and mission to "evangelize the world." But you insist on stigmatizing all American Muslims as being supporters of 9/11 terrorists. It equals to nothing more than Islamaphobia. A moderate Mulslim's desire to "evangelize the earth" should not preclude them from being able to build a place of worship.

That’s not necessarily true. My point is that all Muslims are expecting their “al-Mahdi” to appear and assist with spreading Islam from sea to shining sea through both peaceful political means and/or military means. The extremists are attempting to hasten his coming by destabilizing the global community. As this happens the moderates are peacefully advocating legal recognition of Sharia Law in Europe and the rest of the Western world. The Moderates are perhaps the most serious threat. Why? We can counter attack extremists and no one approves of their tactics (even many if not most Muslims). However, the Moderates who desire to work peacefully and politically can’t be stopped unless strong political measures are taken against them.

I oppose the Mosque building on different grounds. More of a PR issue for Muslims, since this particular Imam refuses to denounce terrorism, calling it a "complex issue."

This is a great example of the Moderate Muslim. For many of them it is a “complex issue”. Their religion allows for such action…though their individual sect may not have a tradition for taking such action. Do they denounce a Muslim brother who is acting in accordance to Islam’s tenants based on merely a difference of sectarian philosophy? They can’t categorically denounce the extremists.

In Christianity the NT takes a strong position against violence. So we don’t face that complexity. But we might be able to compare it to Pro-Life protestors. Many faithful Christians actively protest outside abortion clinics. However, other faithful Christians believe that’s in bad taste and that abortion should be handled differently and with fewer public displays of venom or shock tactics. Neither side can really denounce the other. It’s not “un-Christian” to peacefully protest outside an abortion clinic. Nor is it un-Christian to take a more moderated approach to dealing with abortion. Maybe this is a bad example, but I’m trying to find a correlation.

Many don’t see how serious this issue with Islam really is.