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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
Ferd, the definition of saved in that context is perception. Does not sinning save me directly? No! Will sinning send me to hell? Yes, if you don't believe in OSAS or something. I study and talk to many Messianic Jews of all types and I don't know of any that think works in themselves save them. Now works in the respect in view of the cross... Yes! I would agree as they are not our works but a proper response to God. As Abraham's faith(proper response) was considered a righteouss deed. Without faith(proper response) it is impossible to please God. Thus our response to his message does save us. If you want to consider that a work, I would agree.
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you can 'splain this how ever you like, but if some dude believes we are going to hell for having church on Sunday instead of saturday or for eating pork, then I will stick with my definition. That isnt "obedience in view of the cross"
that is directly what Paul was talking about when he admonished that he would rather they emasculate themselves.
As I said, there are some that are part of AFF and some of these folks believe keeping the law is required. They make the Grace of God of none effect. God help them all. nobody can live by the letter of the law.
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