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Old 04-01-2008, 12:37 PM
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Re: Pastor's problems

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I think we need to be extremely cautious here when placing the role of a pastor to such a lofty position. Unfortunately I think this is what we do in many cases.
Unfortunately, you are right. But the "lofty" position is man's position derived from carnally thinking people. You will always have this from both perspectives. Preachers who think they are above and saints who place preachers above.

When you have a true biblical church with people who have submitted hearts to God and His Word then each will understand the positions and responsibilities of authority, which deals more with servant hood than master hood.


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Even after only being mentioned once in the Bible it is tauted as the highest position in the church. When in scripture we see its just one of the 5-fold ministry (another unbiblical term).
Well the "5-fold" is mentioned more than once in the NT, there are many references to the "positions" of the five fold and it does carry with it the highest realm of authority within God's structure under Himself as Lord and King and His Word, which is equivalent with His name.

On the flip side of that, most use the terms incorrectly. We call the person who leads a ministry as a "Pastor" and a person who travels and preaches an "Evangelist," etc. This is incorrect.

These are "giftings" not positions. Many so called "Pastors" are not even called, they have just pursued a career in ministry. Call them "Pastor" if you want, but that doesn't make them one.

Of those who are called and lead a church some actually stand in the office of a Pastor, some the office of an Apostle, some an office of a Prophet, etc. That's Ephesians 4 states, "and he gave some..., and some..., and some..."

Because we have failed to recognize the gift that is in our lives we have failed to have drawn from the anointing that God has given to us to mature us so that we can effectively do the work of the ministry.
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