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Brother me and you have already had this conversation on the other thread. My response is the same. I don't want it.
Put it on the ballot, if the majority votes it in then fine, otherwise don't force it on me.
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Bro...do you have health insurance? If so, what do you pay in premiums?
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You still did not address how you figure the government can be trusted with this when all the other government run programs and departments are inept.
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Medicaid, Medicare, the Military, VA hospitals and a number of other government departments work very well. When dealing with these the issue is primarily funding, not being inept.
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And last but not least, for as many as you can show that approve of it I can inturn post testimony of the nightmares others have went through.
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Brother, my father in law had some trouble breathing and weakness two weeks after a heart surgery. We called the ambulance and he was taken to Kettering Hospital in Kettering Ohio. He sat in the ER waiting room for 10 hours. When he was eventually moved the ICU they gave him some blood thinner and began to examine him. During the process he went into shock and they lost him. The discovered that he bled to death from internal bleeding. They allowed him to sit for 10 hours, they could have saved his life. Does this horror story reflect the ENTIRE American health care system? No. It's not that bad if you have insurance. But my point is that there are horror stories in every health care system. The conservatives that oppose universal health care exploit these tragedies and try to pawn the stories off as though they represent the entire universal health care system of another nation. Sadly, some of us here in the US aren't wise enough to look at it objectively and apply critical thinking to the conclusions these conservatives are trying to make us have. We're mental midgets who believe nearly anything we hear. But I've been to other countries and see universal health care with MY OWN eyes. Dude, they're lying to us.
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Ever wonder why low income towns/cities have run down education systems, poor streets, run down city services. Because low income cities, towns, etc. pay less taxes by percentage than higher income towns/cities. The town I live in is comprised mostly of upper middle to upper income. The town that borders us is middle to lower income. The difference in the services, parks, schools, streets, etc is like night and day. This will be no different. If you are upper income,thus putting more into the system, you will get excellent health care. But if you are lower income, your health care will be the equal to that of a bad HMO. Lower income people in these countries you adore have waited in line for months just to be looked at by a doctor. Waiting list for surgeries, while the people suffer till their number is called.
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Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. The average wait time in a Canadian ER is like 20 to 30 minutes for non-emergencies. It's much like here in the US. I've been there and seen it myself.
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I don't want it brother, period. If people want a government to take care of them then move to another country, otherwise put it on the ballot and let the majority decide.
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Dude, you just don't get it. Oh well...America will one day catch up when fear is put behind us. Let me invite you to another thread on this forum so that we can discuss this with some Canadian brothers and sisters...
Canadian and American Healthcare ?
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...623#post379623
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