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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. In fact you depart from basic Apostolic teaching with that application. The Larkin chart that I showed you, though somewaht dated (but it's free to post it!) shows the majority teaching of the UPCI and most Apostolic groups.

Sorry I was baptized by a non-Dispensationalist Post Tribulation Pre-Mill. My old pastor was also a non-Dispensationalist Post Trib and both ministers were true Israel of God. They thought Larkin was wrong, and one of the ministers would teach Search for Truth and NEVER teach the prophecy part of the chart. As far as the apostolic movement is concern her eschatology is pretty much up in the air. The Apostolic Faith movement with Parham was British Israel and not Dispensationalists, but there were futurists, and then you had those who joined the group later who were Dispensationalists. Still to say that the Apostolics had the corner market on eschatology is a great leap to say the least. United Pentecostal Church International is definitely without a doubt Pre-Tribulationist, although Brother Irving Baxter Jr with Endtime Magazine and his teachings of Dispensational Post Trib Pre-Mill teaching did a lot to sway ministers towards his teaching.

As we sit at this point we have a hodge podge of beliefs within Pentecost concerning eschatology. I have met a great deal of ministers who claim what is termed "Pan-Trib", which is a belief that as time goes on everything will "pan-out" and so they will get a better view of their ever evolving eschatology.
I myself felt that "pan-tribs" really didn't care much about eschatology and never really bothered trying to explain it, hence their title of "Pan-Trib".

Still you may want to take a shot at Matthew 16, I think you will see a clear view that your 1000 year spaced out between resurrections both have "works" that both groups MUST be judge for. So whether you are Dispensationalist or non-Dispensationalist futurist you still have both groups having to be judged by works. Calvinism was formulated due to a pendulum swing far off from the Roman Catholic Church; I said that because Calvinism predestination and eternal security of the soul is an extreme from the works based salvation of the Roman Catholics. The truth lies between with balance.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The "we all must appear..." statement Paul is making is understood to be an Apostle talking to the Church. The "all" is "all believers," or "The Church." The Corinthians were famously wayward and Paul is admonishing them.

Wayward? What would wayward mean? The all are all those who are concerned in avoiding the second death. You mentioned the term wayward, and I would like to deal with that. If they were wayward, what would they have to do to get back in proper standing? They would have to do works of repentance. The individual who was having an affair with his fathers wife needed to be cast out of the church until he did the proper works to return him back into the fold. The first letter of Corinth is being written to a church that was being admonished to get out of their carnality, which if they continued they would of lost out with God. So what did they need to do to get on the same page with the teaching of the Apostle Paul?

Saying the βήμα is not the same as the Λευκός θρόνος or white light throne, Jesus isn't jumping from seat to seat and all these are symbols to explain the power of the One True Living God giving out judgement to those who were goats and those who were sheep. One group Jesus welcomes in and the other Jesus tells them to depart into an everlasting burning torment.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The Bema is not the Mega Shining Thronos.

Both seats are seats of reward and punishment, and you are having heaven and earth fleeing from the presence of the face of He who sits upon the white light throne. The white light is the brilliance of the truth that is upon the throne. The bema seat is being used to explain the same throne, but it is being told to a people who understand the analogy of the Greek games and the giving of the laurel wreaths to those who completed their race.

It's pretty simple, but still no matter what eschatology you might adhere to you still have both groups being judged by works. As in the fig tree being cursed by Jesus, she was cursed because she would not produce fruit, and if we come into this fellowship with Christ and never produce we are discarded.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The believer does not appear before the Great White Throne judgment at the end of the age because the believer has already been judged at Calvary,

What Apostolic Pentecostal Bible study were you smoking? Where is that taught? Already judged at Calvary? Search for Truth? Into HIS Marvelous light? My Father's House? Then why is Paul telling the churches that they were not judged yet? Again let's look at the book of Revelation.

Rev 2:5

"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first WORKS; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will REMOVE thy candlestick out of his place, EXCEPT thou repent."

It's about produce, and this is being asked at least 37 years after the crucifixion. If you're a late date believer, then it's 60 years after the crucifixion.

Let's now consider your Christian judgement at the cross and the bema seat?
Why the Bema seat? If you have all Christians past, present, and future being judged at the cross, then why are they to meet before the Bema?

We are not made perfect or τέλειος which means FULL AGE or completed, matured, at the cross, are the blood of Christ has paid for sins. and the price He paid, but we are to come to Christ as a new born babe and we are to grow up into Him and come to His stature, His image. Your teaching is not found in any United Pentecostal International material I have ever heard of or read before.

Originally Posted by pelathais

throughout his walk and then received his reward or watched his works be burned at the Bema judgment following the Rapture.

A yeah, right...could you maybe lay some scripture on me as to what you're talking about here?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Your attempts to marginalize this understanding

Now stop that, it's once late again over here on the East Coast and I'm trying to have a discussion with you and you start this? You understand Clarence Larkin Cartoons? Wonderful turn that old school Marvel comic into some scripture and present it chapter and verse and lets see how the both groups are not required to be judged by their works.

If you don't understand Dispensationalism don't worry most of Pentecost doesn't understand either.


"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your
grandmother." - Albert Einstein

Originally Posted by pelathais

shows that you probably haven't spent a lot of time in the Apostolic movement-

Why because my pastors and teachers didn't believe Dispensationalism?
Oh another thing the group I came up with didn't allow visiting ministers to climb behind the the pulpit and teach the congregation their views of eschatology. I didn't load down myself with Dispensaationalism until later in my life. Honestly I rather have my teeth pulled then study that stuff.
If my Brothers believe it fine I love them dearly and want to respect what they feel about eschatology.

Originally Posted by pelathais

no big deal there,

Oh but it is a big deal with you, or you wouldn't of tried to insult me over it.

Originally Posted by pelathais

but ask around, check with people you respect.

How about you Mr. Darby, why don't you bring it forward?

Originally Posted by pelathais

I can't speak for the PCI since it went out of existence long before I was born. However, I do know that what I have presented here includes nothing resembling "Inclusionist" teachings, but rather the basics that a first year Bible College student gets from any UPCI endorsed Bible College. This also is expounded in the Search for Truth and Exploring God's Word home bible studies available from the PPH, UPCI Home Missions Division and other Apostolic publishers.

Apostolics have been teaching this as a standard component of their doctrine for... well for really longer than there's been a modern Apostolic movement. Either...

1) You've completely misunderstood the things that I've posted, or

I understood completely.

Originally Posted by pelathais

2) You are tired and not really comprehending what is being said, or

Total comprehension.

Originally Posted by pelathais

3) You haven't gone through a Home Bible Study with an Apostolic

Thank you sir may I have another.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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