When is a lie justified?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Just wondered.....
When is a lie justified??

Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I wonder if it would be considered a lie to be a licensed minister with the UPCI, sign an AS which when done says you are affirming that you will uphold and teach the articles of faith that the UPCI has, and then have a tv and watch secular entertainment in your home??


BTW DAN, I have read the PM's. ALL that was stated was "Ask Away" and "Just ask already". There was never a "word" given, so there is no lie.

Originally Posted by NLYP

There is another lie!!!! Except this time told to you and misleading, obviously you you were NOT given ALL the pm's!
I just sent them to you!
I never intended for details to go public.....!!!

Originally Posted by NLYP

And that is what I am asking to be Publically cleared up.
I did not give details nor information, and with St. Matts info...not only is in wrong but paints me dishonest and that is what I want cleared up.

Dan,

I will post this publicly since this is where it started. No where in my post is there any statement that says you are lying or dishonest about this. I did not accuse you of lying. I never said that you were a liar. Please show me where I stated you were a liar? I did not even imply you were a liar. I stated that there was no lie.

(edited and added by Stmatt - I have taken counsel by someone I highly respect and they have talked to me on this situation. I want to make it clear that DAN IS NOT A LIAR. And I apologize for any implication of that being the case. I did not mean for that to be implied. A conversation occurred between an Admin and Dan where Dan felt that Admins word to him was broken because it was discussed in the admin area. My initial post, and this one as well, was in a very upset state over this because I felt Dan was taking a shot at the Admin, and though I did not see the implication of Dan being called dishonest, others do, and for that I am sorry. As I stated at the end of this post, I am happy to discuss this, not just privately, but here publicly)

See, the real issue is that behind the scenes you accuse an admin of lying, and then come on publicly and start this thread. To everyone out here that did not see the behind the scenes deal, it is just innocent questions. But to us Admin, it is both offensive and an insult. Whether someone keep their word to you or not, for you to start this thread after the event happened is WRONG. It became, whether you intended it to or not, a "hidden" slap in the face. This is what has me upset.

NOTE: You folks want openness and "full disclosure", well here is some full disclosure for you.

Dan, I will be happy to discuss this further in PM more with you if it is needed. I am considering it a closed deal on my end, as I have dealt with enough for one day.