Original sin?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Luke

Original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's fall in the garden of eden and is passed down to each of us in that we are born with a propensity/bend to sin (sin/fallen nature) and are sinners at birth. Paul spoke of this in Ephesians 2 when he speaks of us being children of wrath by nature. Paul refers to it in Romans 7 as the law of sin and death, he refers to itin Ephesians 4 calling it old man, in Romans 6 it is called the old man and the body of sin. In romans 8 paul speaks of it as the carnal mind. In Galatians 5 (as in many places) it is called the flesh. David says that he was shapen in iniquity and in sin did his mother conceive him. In a nother place he says that the wicked go astray immediately from their mothers womb. Jesus says that all sin proceeds from the heart therefore the heart must be defiled and sinful before we ever commit sin otherwise how could our first sin preceed from our heart if we had to commit it before it could be in our heart.

To say that we are not born sinners but rather innocent and righteous begs the question are we then born christian? If so then apperently baptism, tongues, repentace and faith are not needful for salvation. If on the other hand babies are simply born innocent and righteous and remain thus until they sin this would open the possibility of someone living a sin free life and never needing a savior and therefore entering heaven on their on merits.

Luke,

It's one thing to say that we are born into sin and another to say we are "born sinners." Do babies sin? The nature is passed down; not the actual sins. Yes, babies are born innocent (free from sin), but not free from the curse (free from judgment). The judgment resulting from Adam's sin that everyone shares is death; not hell.

Don't we read in scripture that Enoch lived a sin free life? (He was perfect) Obviously, then, there IS the possibility, as remote and difficult as it might be.

The curse of sin is also passed down, and as Romans says, even upon those who never sinned (disobeyed any commandments). The curse of sin is death. Why would scripture mention the possibility of the curse being passed upon those who never sinned if it isn't a possibility?