Has evolutionism become a leading religion?

[coadie]

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Now, it would not be fair, just because we have presented a realistic evolutionary scheme, supported by gene sequences from modern organisms, to suggest that we now know exactly how the clotting system has evolved.

These are crazy people. They can't explain evolution but claims since we have clotting therefore clotting evolved.

I expect more insults and personal attacks because we see admission of failure by the evoas.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

Again, so the blood clotting is all in that disturbed mind?
R F doolittle is drawing a blank also.

I did quote your link from miller and levine. I guess you are wrong that it comes from BEHE?

You are getting too desparate and may need some time to catch your breath.



so the Darwinsitas are bleeding on the blood clotting claim?


http://www.slideshare.net/leafwarbler/csu-fresno

Here are slides on clotting today but none on evolution of clotting.

See these people would need some actural multimillion year old blood and we know they can't show it. so they speculate.

Lie for Darwin. It is all extrapolation and presupposition. No proof. No evidence.

Pelthais drinks the dishonest claims.

My Miller/Levine link was added to provide a greater scope just how the clotting mechanism evolved. Your unattributed citation of Behe is how you introduced the topic.

While stealing Behe's own words in an attempt to refute "Darwinism," you continue to ignore the very plain and evident fact that Michael Behe is a Darwinist himself.

End of story... unless you can deal with it.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

creation/evolution debate I was listening to today. Didn't finish it, but there may be some here who want to watch it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85675446958159

Hovind is in jail. Pelthais will attack him. Pelthais can't refute his points but thinks he can.

[coadie]

I found this link. Ahrlo Mohlenpah. He must create a little fear. I didn't know of him but saw the name. he speaks to Pentecostals at a conference in Indianapolis.

http://calvarytabindy.org/media.php?content=

steadfast 2007 19 October 2007.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

My Miller/Levine link was added to provide a greater scope just how the clotting mechanism evolved. Your unattributed citation of Behe is how you introduced the topic.

While stealing Behe's own words in an attempt to refute "Darwinism," you continue to ignore the very plain and evident fact that Michael Behe is a Darwinist himself.

End of story... unless you can deal with it.

The quotes came from miller levine which you provided.
They admit they have no actual blood samples.
Fossils don't give blood samples and darwiniasts think they know what the samples would show.

That folks is not science. It is voodoo and speculation.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

creation/evolution debate I was listening to today. Didn't finish it, but there may be some here who want to watch it:

...

The first speaker shown is Kent Hovind. Kent is one of the poorest examples of Young Earth Creationism that you will find. Even Ken Ham (Answers in Genesis) and Duane Gish (ICR) reject Kent's methodology.

Kent is currently a "guest" of the Federal penal system. He had declared his little "creation evangelism" theme park in Florida to have "seceded" from the Federal union and was thus exempt from all state and federal taxes and regulations.

He was ultimately convicted of stealing millions from his own ministry in an attempt to avoid taxation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Atheists love to crow about the ineptitude of "creationists" like Hovind.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2...ll_in_jail.php

It would be better if the Christian faith were represented by actual Christians.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

The quotes came from miller levine which you provided.
They admit they have no actual blood samples.
Fossils don't give blood samples and darwiniasts think they know what the samples would show.

That folks is not science. It is voodoo and speculation.

Miller and Levine discuss a methodology involving gene research whereby mutations which occur at known rates can be extrapolated into the past.

YOUR original quote was taken from Behe. Man up.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

Hovind is in jail. Pelthais will attack him. Pelthais can't refute his points but thinks he can.

I will allow your fellow Young Earth Creationists to "attack" Hovind.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...ts-we-dont-use

Maintaining Creationist Integrity - A response to Kent Hovind: http://web.archive.org/web/200601110...1011hovind.asp

John Ankerberg and Dr. (a real "Dr.") Hugh Ross have also "attacked" Hovind:
http://www.reasons.org/ ... the video from the Ankerberg show appears to be no longer available here.

... I did find a Youtube series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuHuG517lI

Another Christian site has "attacked" Hovind's fumbling as well: http://www.answersincreation.org/reb...bon_dating.htm

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

I found this link. Ahrlo Mohlenpah. He must create a little fear. I didn't know of him but saw the name. he speaks to Pentecostals at a conference in Indianapolis.

http://calvarytabindy.org/media.php?content=

steadfast 2007 19 October 2007.

I've known him for almost 30 years. We used to have dinner together somewhat regularly when we both lived in the same state for time.

The "fear" you mention is real, but it appears to be on his part. My last email correspondence with him ended with his refusal to address a short list of questions I had sent to him. He never responded again.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The first speaker shown is Kent Hovind. Kent is one of the poorest examples of Young Earth Creationism that you will find. Even Ken Ham (Answers in Genesis) and Duane Gish (ICR) reject Kent's methodology.

Kent is currently a "guest" of the Federal penal system. He had declared his little "creation evangelism" theme park in Florida to have "seceded" from the Federal union and was thus exempt from all state and federal taxes and regulations.

He was ultimately convicted of stealing millions from his own ministry in an attempt to avoid taxation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Atheists love to crow about the ineptitude of "creationists" like Hovind.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2...ll_in_jail.php

It would be better if the Christian faith were represented by actual Christians.

I never heard of the guy until today. Now that you tell this, I think you've mentioned him before. Wow.

However, that doesn't necessarily negate his points, as coadie pointed out. The legitimacy of an argument doesn't rest on the morality of its proponets. Yet the Hovind fraud is a terrible slight for ALL christians, whether creationists or "theistic evolutionists".