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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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So Cain was right? We really aren't our brothers keeper?
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Cain killed his brother, he didn't refuse to put out a fire at his house.
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10-07-2010, 07:14 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Great, not sure how that translates to being morally obligated to stop any disaster that may befall mankind.
But hey how do you argue with "you are obligated to be salt and light"?
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Easy.
It translates like this.
When the Lord allows a situation to unfold in front of you, let Him use you. Let Him be glorified in your actions and words.
Baron, I don't imagine you just letting a house burn to the ground, if it is within your power to do something about it.
I don't imagine you driving by people in an accident if you can see that there is someone in desperate need (stuck in a car, car rolled on top of them, etc.)
I believe God would be glorified in you, through your actions and concern for your fellow man.
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10-07-2010, 07:16 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
Baron,
I don't imagine you to be cold and calloused when it comes to people.
You weren't that way with me.
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10-07-2010, 07:17 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Easy.
It translates like this.
When the Lord allows a situation to unfold in front of you, let Him use you. Let Him be glorified in your actions and words.
Baron, I don't imagine you just letting a house burn to the ground, if it is within your power to do something about it.
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You missed the point. The fact is the way that Bratt posted could easily be seen as an accusation against God. The fact is this is one of the strongest arguments against an all-powerful all loving God.
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10-07-2010, 07:19 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Cain killed his brother, he didn't refuse to put out a fire at his house.
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But was he right? We don't have to look out for the well being of our brothers?
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10-07-2010, 07:20 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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You missed the point. The fact is the way that Bratt posted could easily be seen as an accusation against God. The fact is this is one of the strongest arguments against an all-powerful all loving God.
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I have read and re-read Bratt's posts.
Will you explain what I am missing?
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10-07-2010, 07:24 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local...104052668.html
The problem with libertarianism is that it leads to people trying to teach others "lessons" about their bad choices. If you have the POWER to prevent a catastrophe and you do NOT, whether you are a government entity or an individual, it is morally reprehensible.
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But was he right? We don't have to look out for the well being of our brothers?
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I am not morally obligated to prevent anything. I think the idea of being obligated to others can be strained.
Bratts statement clearly identifies God as morally reprehensible.
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10-07-2010, 07:28 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local...104052668.html
The problem with libertarianism is that it leads to people trying to teach others "lessons" about their bad choices. If you have the POWER to prevent a catastrophe and you do NOT, whether you are a government entity or an individual, it is morally reprehensible.
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I am not morally obligated to prevent anything. I think the idea of being obligated to others can be strained.
Bratts statement clearly identifies God as morally reprehensible. |
When God allows death, He is Sovereign-- much wiser than we'll ever be.
When I allow someone to die, my actions are morally reprehensible.
This is not a contradiction, when the comparison is God and man.
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10-07-2010, 07:33 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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When God allows death, He is Sovereign-- much wiser than we'll ever be.
When I allow someone to die, my actions are morally reprehensible.
This is not a contradiction, when the comparison is God and man.
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Really? Weren't you the one questioning why God refused to communicate to the pastor that his daughter was dying a horrible death in a car?
So an all powerful God, who is also all knowing gets a pass for allowing/creating a hurricane that kills thousands?
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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You missed the point. The fact is the way that Bratt posted could easily be seen as an accusation against God. The fact is this is one of the strongest arguments against an all-powerful all loving God.
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It's only a strong argument when you fail to incorporate God's omniscience.
Baron, are you saying that you wouldn't step in to help if you saw a woman being attacked in the mall parking lot? Or that you wouldn't try to rescue someone from a car that was about to explode? What do you mean you're not "obligated" to be a hero? None of us are "obligated" to do anything; but what we do or don't do speaks volumes about our character and integrity.
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