Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

You are right in a way but you are missing the point, and so is RDP, you can't see the forest for the trees. Jesus told the pharisee that they would strain at a nat and swallow a camel and that is what has happened. And inconsistency is tantamount to invalidation. That was the main problem with the pharisee. They were not consistant in keeping the law. Their own law was more important than the spirit of God's law. How many times did Jesus break the law of Moses? Or alow his diciples to. I can think of at least three times. Even Jesus own actions let us know that we are wrong to be so legalistic that we don't hear the voice of God over our own actions.


Paul talks about the gentiles that did not have the law but having a law of their own. The point is we may not claim to be under the law of Moses but we have formed a law of our own that does just what the writters of NT spoke against. And that of making the keeping of our own rules of more importance than the grace of God. Our own righteousness is as filthy rags in the sight of God. Where is the middle road? Where do we let God's spirit lead us over mans doctrines. When do we quite pulling scripture out of context to preach our own doctrines of righteousnes and holiness and let each seek out their own salvation with fear and trembling? When will we get the message Paul is teaching us in Romans 14 some are convicted that some things are wrong others the same thing is ok. But God has accepted them, who are we to judge another mans servant?

Jesus did not say the world would know us because of the dress of clothes we do or don't wear. Whether we wear a modest amount jewels or gold or braid our hair or not. We are know by our love one for another. This is the comandment Jesus said if you love me you will keep. Do we truly show love one to another as described in I Cor. 13? Do we truly allow the fruit of the spirit to shine through us as described by Paul in Galations 5. Does the world see Jesus in our conversation or do they just see the standard required by the doctrines of each local assembley that can't seem to come to a unified agreement on what is wrong or right?

I see the forest fine brother. Its because you disagree with our position that you say we are wrong. God lead me back here. I don't agree with jewelry being the issue but its the matter of the heart. That is what standards are for, to protect the soul of a person. Its not meant to be legalistic and its sad its taken to that route.

Jesus did not say about dress because it was not a specific problem then. Paul and Peter addressed it because it BECAME a problem with the churches. Its still a problem today.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

I see the forest fine brother. Its because you disagree with our position that you say we are wrong. God lead me back here. I don't agree with jewelry being the issue but its the matter of the heart. That is what standards are for, to protect the soul of a person. Its not meant to be legalistic and its sad its taken to that route.

Jesus did not say about dress because it was not a specific problem then. Paul and Peter addressed it because it BECAME a problem with the churches. Its still a problem today.

The same can be said about they way you think, it is because you disagree with our postition that you say we are wrong. What it comes down to is perspective. From what perspective do you view scripture from.
From one perspective all one sees is the word "not" in relationship to the things they teach against. From the other perspective the whole context of the passages are taken in order to understand what is said.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The same can be said about they way you think, it is because you disagree with our postition that you say we are wrong. What it comes down to is perspective. From what perspective do you view scripture from.
From one perspective all one sees is the word "not" in relationship to the things they teach against. From the other perspective the whole context of the passages are taken in order to understand what is said.

Thats why you and me don't need to look at our perspective, but rather God's perspective. He will never leave you wondering whats right or wrong.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Thats why you and me don't need to look at our perspective, but rather God's perspective. He will never leave you wondering whats right or wrong.

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Ok this is the word of God

[Godsdrummer]

Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[Godsdrummer]

And finaly

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Ok this is the word of God

Amen.. woe to those who make right the outside but inward are wolves. I detest that spirit. That doesn't exist only in the apostolic church.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

And finaly

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

amen to the above! How can we judge someone when there is a beam in our eye?

[Godsdrummer]

What gets me is that someone wanting to preach against something that is not prohibited by God will take teaching of a completly differant subject and find one word "not" and "gold" and preach against jewlery.

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:


Wives if your husband is not one that obeys the word he can still be won to God by your actions without saying a word to him.

How can this be? When he sees the life you live for God before him.

Because your actions and charicture and attitude is is derived from the hidden spirit of God that comes from a heart that is in relationship to him. And does not come from adorning oneself with costly apparel, and intricate braiding and plaiting of the hair and many other things women do to make themselves more attractive.

Just as women of old that trusted God instead what they could do themselves by being in subjection to their own husbands.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

What gets me is that someone wanting to preach against something that is not prohibited by God will take teaching of a completly differant subject and find one word "not" and "gold" and preach against jewlery.

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:


Wives if your husband is not one that obeys the word he can still be won to God by your actions without saying a word to him.

How can this be? When he sees the life you live for God before him.

Because your actions and charicture and attitude is is derived from the hidden spirit of God that comes from a heart that is in relationship to him. And does not come from adorning oneself with costly apparel, and intricate braiding and plaiting of the hair and many other things women do to make themselves more attractive.

Just as women of old that trusted God instead what they could do themselves by being in subjection to their own husbands.

The passage talks about both. Praise God for the truth that a lady CAN win her husband with a holy lifestyle and in subjection..