Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by coadie

Amen.

That is why we don't have the credentials to stone them to death like the adulterous woman. If you stone them. you can win them to Christ.

Amen, It is a fine line . Tell the truth in love ,leave their integrity intact . Some will still be offended but offended at the Word .

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie, have you ever struggled with this?

No. I have dealt with several that admitted were horribly tormented. I have counselled people who had married, raised children and lost a spouse to a gay relationship. In a divorce, one partner often feels a lot of rejection. What do they feel losing a spouse to someone of the same sex?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by coadie

No. I have dealt with several that admitted were horribly tormented. I have counselled people who had married, raised children and lost a spouse to a gay relationship. In a divorce, one partner often feels a lot of rejection. What do they feel losing a spouse to someone of the same sex?

Yep. Happened in my own extended family. Gay man was "delivered", married, years later divorced. Very sad.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by iceniez

Amen, It is a fine line . Tell the truth in love ,leave their integrity intact . Some will still be offended but offended at the Word .

I tell them what I am doing. I give them the truth in love and preempt them accusing me of confronting their integrity.
First off I help them discover ways in which they are dishonest with themselves and dishonest in how they describe the attitude of others to them.
many seek confrontation
it plays out several ways. Some attack Christians
some attack how Christians treat them
Some attack the bible
many claim they were born that way.
Under that they claim God would have delivered them if he wanted to.

I am very familiar how they use the same template to twist the bible and say from the beginning, the bible doesn't speak against it at all.
I confronted an addict of a different nature 2 days ago. He was lying to himself.
Actually real gays expect real Christians to oppose gay marriage. They know the bilbe is true.
They also know real Christians stand for strong beliefs. They know strong believers and strong churches can help them be delivered.

We have 400,000 alcoholic priests in the catholic church. If you are alcoholic, how can you do the catholic deal and expect deliverance?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Yep. Happened in my own extended family. Gay man was "delivered", married, years later divorced. Very sad.

The temptor never went away. The guards must always be kept up.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by coadie

I tell them what I am doing. I give them the truth in love and preempt them accusing me of confronting their integrity.
First off I help them discover ways in which they are dishonest with themselves and dishonest in how they describe the attitude of others to them.
many seek confrontation
it plays out several ways. Some attack Christians
some attack how Christians treat them
Some attack the bible
many claim they were born that way.
Under that they claim God would have delivered them if he wanted to.

I am very familiar how they use the same template to twist the bible and say from the beginning, the bible doesn't speak against it at all.
I confronted an addict of a different nature 2 days ago. He was lying to himself.
Actually real gays expect real Christians to oppose gay marriage. They know the bilbe is true.
They also know real Christians stand for strong beliefs. They know strong believers and strong churches can help them be delivered.

We have 400,000 alcoholic priests in the catholic church. If you are alcoholic, how can you do the catholic deal and expect deliverance?

I think we are speaking the same language . ANd maybe even have the same calling .But forgive me if I am being presumptuous .

[whoami]

I haven't read all the replies - but here's my take on legalizing gay marriage.

To me, "gay marriage" doesn't/can't exist, according to the Biblical definition of marriage. Something that God labeled as an abomination to him can't enter into the marriage covenant that he created. It's just impossible, in my opinion.

With that being said, if two people living in sin want to have a legal document and call it marriage, I don't care. It has no affect on my definition of marriage if someone else wants to fake it. I don't think legalizing is going to make more people homosexual than already are. Gay people considering themselves married is already happening and has been for a long time, I don't think changing the law will change anything except insurance policies, etc. I know a gay lady who's been referring to her girlfriend as her "wife" for years. lol

[coadie]

The gay agenda
Or try this link for the 1987 (Homosexual) “March on Washington.” No agenda here, other than the calls for:

•“The government should provide protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, public accommodations and education just as protection is provided on race, creed, color, sex, or national origin”;
•“Anti-homophobic curriculum in the schools”;
•“The government should ensure all public education programs include programs designed to combat lesbian/gay prejudice … Institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people should be denied tax-exempt status and federal funding.”
•“A massive [federal] AIDS education and prevention program that is explicit, culturally sensitive, lesbian and gay affirming and sex positive”;
•“Public and private institutions should support parenting by lesbian or gay couples”;
•All people must have access to free abortions and contraceptives on demand regardless of age.” (Strangely, abortion advocacy has long been part of the homosexual activist agenda.)

Next part of the agenda is lowering age of consent or eliminating it.
Changing texts that mention mom dad etc and other words
Punishment of hate speech in conservitive churches, except Muslim of course.

[Aquila]

Coadie, the gay agenda means nothing. The church has been opposed by the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Islamic Caliphate, Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Communist China, Socialist Europe, and the list can go on and on. Most of the church's opponents can be found in the history books. As for the church... she's still alive and well.

I'll share my thoughts on the rest of it:

•“The government should provide protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, public accommodations and education just as protection is provided on race, creed, color, sex, or national origin”;

Good, that means that if I am desperate for work and the only employers taking applications are of a different orientation than myself, they can't discriminate either.

•“Anti-homophobic curriculum in the schools”;

I'd need to know how the define that.

"The government should ensure all public education programs include programs designed to combat lesbian/gay prejudice … Institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people should be denied tax-exempt status and federal funding.”

Public education programs shouldn't single out any group of people for hatred or discrimination. So I don't see an issue here. I do take issue with the notions of denying tax exempt status to PRIVATE organizations (such as churches) because of their theological position on this. This will find it's way into being a fight involving the freedom of association, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion.

•“A massive [federal] AIDS education and prevention program that is explicit, culturally sensitive, lesbian and gay affirming and sex positive”;

We need an public education and prevention program. And it does need to address all practices to save lives. I'd argue private and Christian schools need not have this forced on them. I can see that as being a battle.

•“Public and private institutions should support parenting by lesbian or gay couples”;

There are already multitudes of gay parents. I'm not going to take a person's kids away from them based on who they choose to cohabitate with. Often the gay parent is FAR better qualified to have custody of their child or children than the straight parent. That's just the plain truth rather one likes it or not.

•All people must have access to free abortions and contraceptives on demand regardless of age.” (Strangely, abortion advocacy has long been part of the homosexual activist agenda.)

That's to secure liberal alliances. I'd keep this a different issue if at all possible.

Next part of the agenda is lowering age of consent or eliminating it.

Political suicide for their cause. They'll abandon it. Besides, it's only the "extreme" fringe who advocate this. Most gay parents that I know don't want this and would never support it.

Changing texts that mention mom dad etc and other words

That will go over like a led balloon.

Punishment of hate speech in conservitive churches, except Muslim of course.

We'd have to properly define hate speech. You and I should oppose hateful speech that advocates hatred, violence, abuse, or mistreatment of gay people too. We're Christians.

Most of the points you give are EXTREMES. On the far right you have those who would advocate public execution for those of alternative lifestyles. You'll see this primarily among the fundamentalist Theonomists and Christian Reconstructionists. Both extremes exist... we need to come together and prevent either side from getting their way.

[Aquila]

Should we ban other unbiblical marriages that are harmful to our social fabric?