TBN Big Mess Again - Page 7

Sam · #61 08-20-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It's probably not funny, but all these different viewpoints are hilarious to me. I think where we end up is, God will decide. Joel Osteen was right. Imagine that.

This side of the rapture (if there is a rapture) we all have incomplete knowledge and understanding as we look into the mirror of the Word.

9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when full understanding comes, these partial things will become useless.
11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly as in a cloudy mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12 NLT

Rose · #62 08-20-2010, 06:23 PM

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That teaching is that Acts 2:38 is necessary to get into the Church/Body of Christ and be in the rapture. But, there are good people, good Christians, some of them even baptized in the Spirit, who have not heard Acts 2:38 or who heard it but did not recognize it as truth, or who have served God during the last couple thousand years before Acts 2:38 salvation was revealed in 1914. These folks are considered "righteous" and will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment or second resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15 and Matthew 25:31-46. These folks don't work their way into heaven or are not saved by works. They were not really "saved" in the first place but they believed in Jesus and walked in all the light they had. Some also include heathen among them and children who died without getting saved. Some people also call this the Light Doctrine

I once heard a UPCI Minister teach something similar. He used the Tabernacle plan to illustrate this point. In the holy of holies with Jesus would be the Acts 2:38 church serving God to the best of their knowledge. I really can't remember the whole Bible Study but in the outer court of the Tabernacle were those that had received the Holy Ghost & walked with God to the best of their knowledge, and outside the Tabernacle were the 'others' that had served God to the the best of their knowledge but had never been baptized in Jesus Name nor received the Holy Ghost.

Mr. Smith · #63 08-20-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose

I once heard a UPCI Minister teach something similar. He used the Tabernacle plan to illustrate this point. In the holy of holies with Jesus would be the Acts 2:38 church serving God to the best of their knowledge. I really can't remember the whole Bible Study but in the outer court of the Tabernacle were those that had received the Holy Ghost & walked with God to the best of their knowledge, and outside the Tabernacle were the 'others' that had served God to the the best of their knowledge but had never been baptized in Jesus Name nor received the Holy Ghost.

And yet, no one really knows. Lots of theories, no one really knows.

Rose · #64 08-20-2010, 07:16 PM

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And yet, no one really knows. Lots of theories, no one really knows.

So true! God will be the judge.

faithit166 · #65 08-20-2010, 08:32 PM

since pentecost,theres only one way to enter in and thats thru the door,anyone who tries to go any other way is like a thief and a robber,also i wished all will be saved but unfortunately that wont be for narrow is the way that leadeth to eternal life and few be there that find it,

Mr. Smith · #66 08-21-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

since pentecost,theres only one way to enter in and thats thru the door,anyone who tries to go any other way is like a thief and a robber,also i wished all will be saved but unfortunately that wont be for narrow is the way that leadeth to eternal life and few be there that find it,

Thanks God. It's all clear now.

faithit166 · #67 08-21-2010, 05:41 AM

so many people trying to go thru the window thinking they will get to jesus do what he says come thru the door

Mr. Smith · #68 08-21-2010, 09:47 AM

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so many people trying to go thru the window thinking they will get to jesus do what he says come thru the door

Thanks again, God. It's great to get input from "The Man" Himself. You've done those of us mortals at the forum a great service. Chime in any time with Your conclusions.

Maximilian · #69 08-21-2010, 11:33 AM

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Thanks again, God. It's great to get input from "The Man" Himself. You've done those of us mortals at the forum a great service. Chime in any time with Your conclusions.

Well, actually, "the man" has already spoken:

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27)

If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6-7)

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5)

If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21)

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15).

It is impossible for both ideas to be true at the same time. The doctrine of grace teaches, whether we like it or not, that no other paths lead to salvation

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him[/B] shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

He that believes and is baptized will be saved, he that doesn't believe will be damned. Mark 16:16

mizpeh · #70 08-21-2010, 11:54 AM

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Well, actually, "the man" has already spoken:

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27)

If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6-7)

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5)

If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21)

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15).

It is impossible for both ideas to be true at the same time. The doctrine of grace teaches, whether we like it or not, that no other paths lead to salvation

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him[/B] shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

He that believes and is baptized will be saved, he that doesn't believe will be damned. Mark 16:16

You forgot to include the verses about repentance, the new birth, and the necessity of having Christ's Spirit in us.n