Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do think it is interesting that a President who is accused of secretly trying to take away rights from average Americans, a President who is accused of being socialist and even communist, decided to stand on the side of freedom and equality-- despite how unpopular he had to know his stance would be.

I don't agree with him, but he presents intestinal fortitude in this situation.

Whenever any political body or power has taken "away rights from average" people it has always been done to secure MORE rights and privileges for a favored class.

This is an example where the rights of a majority are being "taken away" in a very public fashion to advance the privileges of one guy - Feisal Abdul Rauf.

[canam]

And there are already something like 100 mosques in NY>They aint lacking.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It's this Michael Savage irrationality that concerns me.

Please don't mistake my position, or other's you see as "leftist" as being one that doesn't take serious the security of the nation.

But if you think the government should go on a Muslim-hunting expedition, you aren't being consistent with your small government, Constitution Party principles. Be aware and level-headed. It is possible to do both.

Please don't criticize Michael Savage! He can't hold a light to your irrationality! Your diatribe sure sounds like you care more for the Muslims, (good, bad & indifferent) than you do for America! I've listed twice a long, long list of atrocities committed by Muslim factors and you have yet to even acknowledge a list was attached. Yea, just go ahead and ignore the list and it will go away. That seems to be your approach with Muslims. Can't criticize any of them because there are some good ones. Of course there are good ones but that doesn't change the horror of the bad ones. Put your head in the sand and everything will be okay.

Oh well, your right and everyone else is wrong!

BT

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Please don't criticize Michael Savage! He can't hold a light to your irrationality! Your diatribe sure sounds like you care more for the Muslims, (good, bad & indifferent) than you do for America! I've listed twice a long, long list of atrocities committed by Muslim factors and you have yet to even acknowledge a list was attached. Yea, just go ahead and ignore the list and it will go away. That seems to be your approach with Muslims. Can't criticize any of them because there are some good ones. Of course there are good ones but that doesn't change the horror of the bad ones. Put your head in the sand and everything will be okay.

Oh well, your right and everyone else is wrong!

BT

And cue the Michael Savage Defense Squad

I sound like I care more for Muslims than America? Go on... go on...

Your list of Radical Muslim atrocities? I advocate putting my head in the sand?

Seriously, stretch your brain a little. Disagree with me. My position is my position. Other's have done just fine stating why they disagree (Ferd, Pel, etc). However, everything you just blathered on this post is IRRATIONAL, just like your screaming shock jock you think is the finest guy in shoe leather.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It's this Michael Savage irrationality that concerns me.

Please don't mistake my position, or other's you see as "leftist" as being one that doesn't take serious the security of the nation.

But if you think the government should go on a Muslim-hunting expedition, you aren't being consistent with your small government, Constitution Party principles. Be aware and level-headed. It is possible to do both.

Not really...depends on what you mean by "Muslim Hunting"...the FBI and the CIA are doing "Muslim hunting" sort of by hunting down Islamic Extremists in and outside of America

[Praxeas]

Pel, Im concerned about the Imam and this story of the WH flying this dude around to raise money. That, if true, needs to be addressed big time

However is that a reason for legally forbidding the building of a Mosque?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Pel, Im concerned about the Imam and this story of the WH flying this dude around to raise money. That, if true, needs to be addressed big time

However is that a reason for legally forbidding the building of a Mosque?

I also have reasonable suspicions about the Imam. He should've come out of the gate in assuranec that he denounces terrorism, while just a few blocks from the worst terrorist attack on American soil. Big red flag for me.

As far as legal reason? Nah.... but the people of the City can express their will enough.... we'll see what happens.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Not really...depends on what you mean by "Muslim Hunting"...the FBI and the CIA are doing "Muslim hunting" sort of by hunting down Islamic Extremists in and outside of America

They are sniffing out Islamic Radicals. Every right to do so.

All of us start kicking Muslims out of the country or treating them without the liberty given those American-Muslims in the Constitution? No right.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Whenever any political body or power has taken "away rights from average" people it has always been done to secure MORE rights and privileges for a favored class.

This is an example where the rights of a majority are being "taken away" in a very public fashion to advance the privileges of one guy - Feisal Abdul Rauf.

You're response does not make sense.

No one is losing rights in this case.

He is simply affirming the rights of American citizens to build on their own private property in accordance with the pre-established laws and ordinances.


It's not even a Federal issue anyway. What do you want him to do? Use his Federal "powers" to sieze the land so that the developers won't do it?

That would only make what his very biased critics say about him being a commie true.


Truth is, he made a very unpopular stand. He exercised leadership in taking this stance publicly. He clarified that he questioned the wisdom of doing it, but in this case, President Obama is a defender of American freedom and of the Constitution.

The President stood up for the rights of all American citizens when he made his unpopular view public.

President Obama is the PATRIOT I'm not in this situation.



I bet my fellow conservatives will not acknowledge this. We can never allow anything a Democrat does to be painted in a positive light-- especially President Obama.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

And cue the Michael Savage Defense Squad

I sound like I care more for Muslims than America? Go on... go on...

Your list of Radical Muslim atrocities? I advocate putting my head in the sand?

Seriously, stretch your brain a little. Disagree with me. My position is my position. Other's have done just fine stating why they disagree (Ferd, Pel, etc). However, everything you just blathered on this post is IRRATIONAL, just like your screaming shock jock you think is the finest guy in shoe leather.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

And cue the Michael Savage Defense Squad

I sound like I care more for Muslims than America? Go on... go on...

Your list of Radical Muslim atrocities? I advocate putting my head in the sand?

Seriously, stretch your brain a little. Disagree with me. My position is my position. Other's have done just fine stating why they disagree (Ferd, Pel, etc). However, everything you just blathered on this post is IRRATIONAL, just like your screaming shock jock you think is the finest guy in shoe leather.

Again, you start accusing when you don't know what you're talking about. I do not like Michael Savage and can only take a little of him at a time. You were the one that brought him up. What I've heard of him and what I've read of you just doesn't sound that much different.

If someone disagrees with you then they are blathering and irrational. So be it! You have spoken!

BT