Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

MZ Kahn is helping put on a face or front. Why is her head and face uncovered? No submission?

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/...zero-mosque/2/

The Imam spins a great story and ideology in English. In Arabic, he gets down and hates America.

I was happy to read a few of the comments and see that the posters recognize what is going on - Taqiyya:

Thanks Mr.Simon, please stay the course on this one; things are starting to getting very interesting. Imam Rauf is quaking in his boots right about now. I’ll bet he’s too afraid to return to our shores; in fact, I know it. Thanks for exposing even more about this ‘taqiyyameistr’ who in his own minds thinks he has all infidels by the proverbial gonads.

Feisal “Taqqiyah” Rauf would be the first one in line stoning infidels under Sharia here… hope his dissembling behind stays over there.

Taqiyyameister! That's my new word!!!!

[Pressing-On]

I've never seen this video before. It's 26 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTc...yer_embedded#!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It's this Michael Savage irrationality that concerns me.

Please don't mistake my position, or other's you see as "leftist" as being one that doesn't take serious the security of the nation.

But if you think the government should go on a Muslim-hunting expedition, you aren't being consistent with your small government, Constitution Party principles. Be aware and level-headed. It is possible to do both.

Not necessarily. It's the Federal government's Constitutional role to protect life, liberty, and our boarders. Radical Islam is a threat to all three.

The Founders gladly faught a Revolutionary War against Great Brittan for imposing tyranical taxation and religious oppression against Christians who were not part of the Church of England. A war against a religion that threatens our life, liberties, and cultural foundations might be in order. I don't like it. But that's what this is evolving into. And please note... it's the Islamic extremists who are pushing us to this point.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I've never seen this video before. It's 26 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTc...yer_embedded#!

The Islamic threat is REAL. They are awaiting their al-Mahdi. Are we ready for him?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It is for me.

But the idealogy I'm encountering on AFF and other social settings is not one of logically explaining a position. It is "Muslims are evil. Muslims should be kicked out of the country. Muslims should not have terror camps next to 9/11." That's literally the non-sense I'm hearing. Even with those who attempt to articulate, their prejudices and phobias are glaring.

Level-headed, pragmatic, sincere.... what happened to those sort of Conservatives?

At the end of the day, I for one am not suggesting that this Mosque is a good idea. I know that something can be a right but not the right thing. In looking at the characters at play here, I see how this is that much more provocative. What I'm not is on a Crusade against Muslims. I still believe in the rule of law.

I know Europe would have no question as to rather to allow a Museum honoring the life, contributions, and philosophy of Hitler to be built on the site of a German death camp.

We've become so soft and stupid.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It is for me.

But the idealogy I'm encountering on AFF and other social settings is not one of logically explaining a position. It is "Muslims are evil. Muslims should be kicked out of the country. Muslims should not have terror camps next to 9/11." That's literally the non-sense I'm hearing. Even with those who attempt to articulate, their prejudices and phobias are glaring.

Level-headed, pragmatic, sincere.... what happened to those sort of Conservatives?

At the end of the day, I for one am not suggesting that this Mosque is a good idea. I know that something can be a right but not the right thing. In looking at the characters at play here, I see how this is that much more provocative. What I'm not is on a Crusade against Muslims. I still believe in the rule of law.

I'll gladly admit that I am on a crusade against radical Islam. I think we all should be. But regarding this issue, I'm advocating zoning laws that would protect the sight as being treated as perhaps the greatest tragedy inflicted on our nation... a Mosque should not be allowed zoning. We don't allow people to build churches within so many feet of certain business districts. Also, we don't allow certain businesses to open up near churches or schools. It's absolutely reasonable.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Not necessarily. It's the Federal government's Constitutional role to protect life, liberty, and our boarders. Radical Islam is a threat to all three.

The Founders gladly faught a Revolutionary War against Great Brittan for imposing tyranical taxation and religious oppression against Christians who were not part of the Church of England. A war against a religion that threatens our life, liberties, and cultural foundations might be in order. I don't like it. But that's what this is evolving into. And please note... it's the Islamic extremists who are pushing us to this point.

That's irrational. You aren't fighting a foreign government, you are attempting to wage war against an idealogy, and even worse -- broad-brushing that ideology.

What is this point they are pushing us to, Aquila? Why don't you all just come out and say what you really feel. A war against a specific religion? Go put a sheet on your head, get a horse and go have your Crusade, I will have no part. I'm frankly disgusted right now.

Oh and off the subject: Religious oppression was part of the Revolutionary war? Are you mistaken perhaps? Your taxation response was correct.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont have any real problem with your logic here. My initial reaction was to side with the ideal of FREEDOM of religion. The more i look at the issue, the less it is about that and the more it is about this particular group is RADICAL.

We do have a problem with a lot of people just going the "all muslims are evil" direction. we gotta get past that.

But at the same time, we have to take some long hard looks at those who want to do provocative things like this.

The Muslim Brotherhood is after Sharia Law in America and they fully intend to use our liberty and openness against us to get what they want.

Are all Muslims awaiting the al-Mahdi?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'll gladly admit that I am on a crusade against radical Islam. I think we all should be. But regarding this issue, I'm advocating zoning laws that would protect the sight as being treated as perhaps the greatest tragedy inflicted on our nation... a Mosque should not be allowed zoning. We don't allow people to build churches within so many feet of certain business districts. Also, we don't allow certain businesses to open up near churches or schools. It's absolutely reasonable.

You don't mean "radical Islam" you mean "Islam." We've already established that. You dont' see a difference. So quit saying "radical" and start saying what you are really saying "Islam."

The justification of your zoning ideas are unconstitutional. There's no way around that. This particular area is not in a zone where a religious center is an issue -- as a matter of fact, there are Christian churches within a 1 mile radius.

Oh, and if you do this, please don't do it in the name of Christ. I beg you. Just be an emotionally and ignorant redneck, but please don't you or your like-minded cronies hijack Jesus in the middle of it. We've already seen the destruction that has done in history.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

That's irrational. You aren't fighting a foreign government, you are attempting to wage war against an idealogy, and even worse -- broad-brushing that ideology.

What is this point they are pushing us to, Aquila? Why don't you all just come out and say what you really feel. A war against a specific religion? Go put a sheet on your head, get a horse and go have your Crusade, I will have no part. I'm frankly disgusted right now.

Oh and off the subject: Religious oppression was part of the Revolutionary war? Are you mistaken perhaps? Your taxation response was correct.

I'm not wanting a religious war with all Muslims. But Islamic extremists have declared war against us. All forms of extrem Islam within the United States should be treated heavy handedly. I'd support policies that would force moderates to the surface to denounce the extremists. What policies would do that is up for debate.