Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Sam]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I was heart broke to hear this news that Obama supports the Mosque at Ground Zero.

well, if I remember correctly what he said was that they have a right (constitutionally) to build there.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Nor is blowing up women, children and innocents in sky scrapers the work of mainstream Muslims.

Shia
Sunni
Sufis
Sahaba
Hurufism
Kaysanites
Khurramites
Muhammadites
Nuqtavi
Tawussites
Waifites
Hanafi
Shafi'i
Maliki
Hanbali
Ash'ari
Maturidi
Murji'ah
Mu'tazili
Salafism
Barelwi
Deobandi
Al-ikhwan Al-Muslimun
Jamaat-e-Islami
Nation of Islam
Western vs. Eastern
Varying degrees of belief in between

All varying sects, denominations, etc of Islam... just to name a few. How silly and foolish of you to suggest all Muslim friends are hateful zealots anymore than all Christians are affiliated with those wack jobs of the Westboro Baptist Church.

It would help if mainstream Muslims would come out aggressively against the blowing up of civilians.

Dan, you are being very disingenuous, with your comparisons, even Phelps has hasn't been blowing people up. A few nut cases does not compare to the destruction of the radical Muslims.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by DAII

Sir, this has nothing to do with my definition of Christian ... don't be disingenous... the KKK presents itself as a Christian organization speaking for Western Christian civilization just like many radical Muslim groups attempt to speak for most peaceful Muslims.

If you'd like we could delve into your universalist definition of Christianity.

OK, let's say for the sake of argument you are correct about the KKK, where has the KKK blown anyone up lately. You fail to see that your comparisons are not valid.

I have a multitude of threads about Universal Reconciliation in the debate area, you're welcome to jump on one. This is not that discussion.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by crakjak

It would help if mainstream Muslims would come out aggressively against the blowing up of civilians.

Dan, you are being very disingenuous, with your comparisons, even Phelps has hasn't been blowing people up. A few nut cases does not compare to the destruction of the radical Muslims.

How many until you change your opinion that "all Muslims are terrorist sponsors?" There have been MANY moderate Muslims that have decried terrorism, 9/11 and hate. As far as "aggressively" I guess I'm not sure what they have to do to appease your suspicions.

A Google search of "Moderate Muslims condemn terrorism" will produce plenty of results, in case you want to verify information.

[Scott Hutchinson]

YOU CAN BROWSE THE KORAN FOR YOURSELF HERE.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by crakjak

OK, let's say for the sake of argument you are correct about the KKK, where has the KKK blown anyone up lately. You fail to see that your comparisons are not valid.

I have a multitude of threads about Universal Reconciliation in the debate area, you're welcome to jump on one. This is not that discussion.

His point was the KKK, no matter how much we despite them as believers, consider themselves to be Christian believers, and are known to be a fringe Christian group (ie, radical group) that have historically been responsible for the death and murder of innocent people. The point actually isn't comparing crime-to-crime, but rather radicals to the so-called "mainstream."

[Truthseeker]

Barak Hussieen Obama.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Barak Hussieen Obama.

Is there some hidden meaning in your misspelling of his name?

[Aquila]

Obama is failing to see that we are not arguing that Muslims have no right to worship. What most of us are trying to explain is that they don't have a right to worship on the hallowed ground of the "battlefield" where so many innocent civilians were murdered by Jihadists. Let the Muslims build a mosque...but not there. In our society we've become to "Fair" that we've lost sight of what is "Just".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

How many until you change your opinion that "all Muslims are terrorist sponsors?" There have been MANY moderate Muslims that have decried terrorism, 9/11 and hate. As far as "aggressively" I guess I'm not sure what they have to do to appease your suspicions.

A Google search of "Moderate Muslims condemn terrorism" will produce plenty of results, in case you want to verify information.

The Radical Muslims believe that they are called to distablize the world to hasten the coming of the Islamic "messiah" the al-Mahdi. I assure you, if one appears on the world scene and has all the signs of being the al-Mahdi, unifies the Muslim peoples of the Middle East, and declares himself the al-Mahdi, even the Moderate Muslims will become extremely DANGEROUS to any society. They will advocate turning to Sharia Law politically, as they are doing in Europe, or they will advocate violent installation of Sharia Law through Jihadist militarism.

Islam, even Moderate Islam, is more than merely a religious system. In Islam as a whole there isn't a distinction between the state and religion. While Moderate Muslims publically decry the violent tactics of extremists, they still have the desire to see Islamic Sharia Law cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. They are pushing to have their holidays nationally recognized and to enfluence the public school systems as we speak.