Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Prax, the up-in-arms tizzy started wayyyyyy before any of them knew the Imam, knew his thoughts, etc.... It's fair for those who withheld judgement until knowing all the info, but many people just had a knee jerk emotional reaction that grouped all Muslims into the 9/11 suspects. Unfair and is more of an indictment on them.

When it started is irrelevant. The fact of what the Imam is adds fuel to the fire

And yes many people had a knee jerk emotional reaction...not to a Mosque being build anywhere but so close to ground zero. I think a lot of Americans empathize with them. I don't think it is wise to stoke those emotions.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

When it started is irrelevant. The fact of what the Imam is adds fuel to the fire

And yes many people had a knee jerk emotional reaction...not to a Mosque being build anywhere but so close to ground zero. I think a lot of Americans empathize with them. I don't think it is wise to stoke those emotions.

How could it be irrelevant? If people claim that's the reason for their fury, it's contradicting because they were furious before ever having that information. It's quite relevant.

We must be careful to project Islamaphobia. I feel people do lipservice when they suggest "not all Muslims are radical 9/11 terrorists." Many believe that, or at least that all Muslims support that.

How far away is it acceptable, by the way? 3 blocks? 6? 10? 12?

[Blubayou]

Wonder how much Muslim money is supporting the Obama campaign?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Blubayou

Wonder how much Muslim money is supporting the Obama campaign?

Do you wonder?

Do you have any factual, substantive material to suggest something "funny" going on here?

Do you think Obama and the Muslims want to take over the world?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is irrelevant. The thread is not about legalities.

Muslims are not being prevented or even asked NOT to build a mosque in New York. They are being asked NOT to at ground zero of the worst terrorist attack against Americans ON American soil.

It's NOT a matter of "we have a moral objection to Islam the religion" as per your argument. That's apples and oranges

Thank you for your all-righteous, all-knowing, all-encompassing judgment that my argument is irrelevant but it is EXACTLY the argument that will be used to very possibly, even likely, allow this building project to continue. So go ahead and post bumper stickers, wear t-shirts, or post on a forum that about one ten-millionth of the U.S. population will see, but it is what it is. Legalities and constitutional arguments matter, regardless of what your thread is about.

You're bringing up what the President said. I'm telling you why he said what he said. It matters. Deal with it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

How could it be irrelevant? If people claim that's the reason for their fury, it's contradicting because they were furious before ever having that information. It's quite relevant.

We must be careful to project Islamaphobia. I feel people do lipservice when they suggest "not all Muslims are radical 9/11 terrorists." Many believe that, or at least that all Muslims support that.

How far away is it acceptable, by the way? 3 blocks? 6? 10? 12?

Who said that's the reason for their "fury"?

As I said twice now I think it just adds to it and since the revelation has motivated more people to get on the band wagon.

As I pointed out, this is not a movement to ban Islam nor the building of Mosques. It's simple an issue of placing one so close to ground zero.

How far away is acceptable? I don't know. Since this is really an issue of emotions and the American psyche, I think what might be best is to have a meeting and for the moderate Muslims to say "Look we understand and we sympathize with you. Can we come to a compromise? We don't want to build a Mosque so close that it causes you more emotional pain but we do need another Mosque in this area for worshippers. We've severed ties with ______Imam. How about this location over here? It's further away"


The leaders of this anti Mosque movement will have to come in and say, essentially the same thing, we understand you need a mosque in this area and we are glad you understand the emotional mind set of the families of the fallen on 9/11 as well as the moderate Muslims desire to distinguish themselves from those that perpetrated these actions. We see your concession as an earnest desire towards that end as well. We are fine with the location you have chosen and we thank you for the steps you have taken to alleviate the situation. etc etc


I think that's the only way things are going to work out for both sides. Islam has a bad rap right now and Moderate Muslims are often seen as passive participants. In this case these Muslims have an Imam that just burns that image into the minds of many Americans at this moment.

BTW I repeat that I think the issue of the Imam just increased the numbers of those opposed when they found out and those that were already opposed exasperated their feelings

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Thank you for your all-righteous, all-knowing, all-encompassing judgment that my argument is irrelevant but it is EXACTLY the argument that will be used to very possibly, even likely, allow this building project to continue. So go ahead and post bumper stickers, wear t-shirts, or post on a forum that about one ten-millionth of the U.S. population will see, but it is what it is. Legalities and constitutional arguments matter, regardless of what your thread is about.

You're bringing up what the President said. I'm telling you why he said what he said. It matters. Deal with it.

Again this isn't a legal issue, so your "legal" argument is beside the point to this thread and what it's about.

I never said legalities or the constitution does not matter, I said it was irrelevant to THIS thread.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Blubayou

Wonder how much Muslim money is supporting the Obama campaign?

Probably not that much compared to the larger number.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again this isn't a legal issue, so your "legal" argument is beside the point to this thread and what it's about.

I never said legalities or the constitution does not matter, I said it was irrelevant to THIS thread.

Well, pardon me for contributing something that actually matters, to your thread. So if I'm not able to comment on why President Obama said what he said, what can I have your permission to say, oh holy administrator (To thine be the glory)?

Wait a minute...if we're not going to talk about why the president said what he said, what IS this thread about? Are you just wanting to use him for a verbal whipping post? Christians DO love doing that with our current president.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well, pardon me for contributing something that actually matters, to your thread. So if I'm not able to comment on why President Obama said what he said, what can I have your permission to say, oh holy administrator (To thine be the glory)?

Wait a minute...if we're not going to talk about why the president said what he said, what IS this thread about? Are you just wanting to use him for a verbal whipping post? Christians DO love doing that with our current president.

I didn't say you weren't able to do anything. You are welcome to express your opinion just I expressed mine on what you said without making any personal comments about you.