I cannot see the main ones returning...However in time the WPF will have their problems too...I see a lot of different holiness standards there too....so it all boils down to the fact we are ALL humans...
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we must pray for baptisms of love each day...forgiveness...life has lots of ups and downs...lots of people wanting to destroy each other...and our tendency as humans is to get so involved with things that look so big today but tomorrow they seem to look so small....
May God help us to have the right spirit in our pilgrimage....
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They won't. Those who orchestrated the move handled it poorly and unethically, and so they would have to lose major face in order to return. I guess it COULD happen, but it's highly unlikely.
People should never paint themselves into a corner.
How so?
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Not in one aspect- the WPF ministers are constantly expounding on their version of pastoral authority. They are all about fellowship with other ministers- to the detriment of the body. At all the meetings, etc. it is constantly advertised for all the special 'minister and families only' functions. (This is more than the usual!) Their sermons (generalization, i know- but a lot) are about obeying the pastor, submitting to leadership, loving your pastor, etc., etc. Propagating this type of message where faith is placed in man over God, will only lead to crumbling foundations.
While I believe pastor authority is Biblical (and by that- very clear in its limitations and role), the WPF meetings have gone over-board. Soon, I believe you will start seeing fall-out in church ministry and saints under some of these leaders that have become 'pentecostal popes.'
The cry of 'enough' is bound to start reverberating in some of these churches.
"...messages where faith is placed in man over God" --? I have heard every one of the men on the General Board of the WPF preach numerous times; never once has this been close to being preached. I am fully assured that you have no idea what you even are insinuating to. Your foolish statements are only matched by your ignorance of these things.
Sadly, I pray you are never in leadership over the people of God. With that mind set, you will not be a successful leader at all. Even if all you did was reap from this post, you would have a massive battle ahead, with not much in the way of weapons.
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"...messages where faith is placed in man over God" --? I have heard every one of the men on the General Board of the WPF preach numerous times; never once has this been close to being preached. I am fully assured that you have no idea what you even are insinuating to. Your foolish statements are only matched by your ignorance of these things.
Rev Richmond, I think this sort of preaching may be regional. In some areas, it does happen. In other areas the very idea of doing so is offensive. That said, the extensive preaching on pastoral authority, praise of pastors, and so forth happens in certain circles of fellowship in many different denominations, including WPF, UPCI, and independent Apostolic churches. It isn't something exclusive to any one brand of Pentecost, or to Pentecost in general.
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If people left the UPCI for the WPF due to what they saw as a slipping away of the standards, etc. then of do you think they'll return since the UPCI began reaffirming its stand for the protection of those issues? I think a lot of people have too many ties to the UPCI to be apart of the WPF which is now very similar. I also believe that many of the moderate/conservative preaches left because they weren't sure where the UPCI was trying to stand on the holiness issues. Now that the UPCI is declaring their stance I think the returns are inevitable. What do you ladies and gentlemen think?
I hope not
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"...messages where faith is placed in man over God" --? I have heard every one of the men on the General Board of the WPF preach numerous times; never once has this been close to being preached. I am fully assured that you have no idea what you even are insinuating to. Your foolish statements are only matched by your ignorance of these things.
Sadly, I pray you are never in leadership over the people of God. With that mind set, you will not be a successful leader at all. Even if all you did was reap from this post, you would have a massive battle ahead, with not much in the way of weapons.
I am sure that no one (most likely) has never used that phrase but are you not of the mindset that the pastor has ultimate God-given authority in his church and that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and thus anything he says might as well be coming from God Himself? So anything he says might as well be salvational.......
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