Voting was originally tied to property. One had to own property to be eligible to vote. Property owners were the only one's that paid taxes.
The real problem is voters who not only pay no taxes but live off of the taxes paid by others. I know this may seem harsh to some but if you are on public assistance you should not be voting. It is a conflict of interest for those who collect taxes to be able to vote for those who are sticking their hands in my pocket to pay them.
Now like the founders some of my views are more theoretical than practical. (Such as a Supreme Court that is the weakest of the 3 branches of government).
Have you forgotten excise taxes ... like on whiskey? Enforced by one of our founders.
Also first income tax is during the Civil War .... Revenue Act of 1861, which restored earlier excises taxes and imposed a tax on personal incomes. The income tax was levied at 3 percent on all incomes higher than $800 a year.
Have you forgotten excise taxes ... like on whiskey? Enforced by one of our founders.
Also first income tax is during the Civil War .... Revenue Act of 1861, which restored earlier excises taxes and imposed a tax on personal incomes. The income tax was levied at 3 percent on all incomes higher than $800 a year.
by 1861 sufferage was no the move.
Andy Jackson had worked to get all free men the vote so the cat was outta the bag by then
as for excise tax, that was not the main source of income for the US government.
beyond that, It seems to me that the founding fathers wanted to insure that voting was something done by people of industry who were working to create wealth. property owners.
Lets not forget that any person at the time could go to the frontier and get land at no cost other than the will to work that land.
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Andy Jackson had worked to get all free men the vote so the cat was outta the bag by then
as for excise tax, that was not the main source of income for the US government.
beyond that, It seems to me that the founding fathers wanted to insure that voting was something done by people of industry who were working to create wealth. property owners.
Lets not forget that any person at the time could go to the frontier and get land at no cost other than the will to work that land.
Indeed, tariffs were ... however as we know ... consumers then and now still offset tariffs by paying for higher prices for these imported goods ...
and during the early nascent republic some of the more quality goods were from overseas.
So still ... indirectly ... being "taxed" by Uncle Sam ... while keeping the males of industry at a competitive advantage.
Indeed, tariffs were ... however as we know ... consumers then and now still offset tariffs by paying for higher prices for these imported goods ...
and during the early nascent republic some of the more quality goods were from overseas.
So still ... indirectly ... being "taxed" by Uncle Sam ...
Again, tax paying was not the driver in my opinion.
It was more about their concern that those involved in the process were people of industry. This was at the heart of creating a Republic and not a true democracy. They feared Mob Rule.
And again, it was not beyond the grasp of the average citizen (male) to obtain the wherewithall to vote. Land ownership was available. It did require industry and desire and work but it was not cost prohibitive.
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Indeed, tariffs were ... however as we know ... consumers then and now still offset tariffs by paying for higher prices for these imported goods ...
and during the early nascent republic some of the more quality goods were from overseas.
So still ... indirectly ... being "taxed" by Uncle Sam ...
Dan,
I think all of us realize that a government must have an income to operate. It also makes sense that those who have more should pay more, which is the way a consumption tax, by way of tariffs or excise taxes, works. This is not the same as the Communist idea of a graduated income tax.
The problem is the current system punishes financial success, and is intent on redistributing it to the less fortunate, or sometimes just lazy. The fact that the bum on the street is paying taxes by buying booze misses the point.
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Again, tax paying was not the driver in my opinion.
It was more about their concern that those involved in the process were people of industry. This was at the heart of creating a Republic and not a true democracy. They feared Mob Rule.
And again, it was not beyond the grasp of the average citizen (male) to obtain the wherewithall to vote. Land ownership was available. It did require industry and desire and work but it was not cost prohibitive.
They no doubt kept the rule limited to the white landed male for quite awhile while setting up a tariff system that benefited their interests.
I think all of us realize that a government must have an income to operate. It also makes sense that those who have more should pay more, which is the way a consumption tax, by way of tariffs or excise taxes, works. This is not the same as the Communist idea of a graduated income tax.
The problem is the current system punishes financial success, and is intent on redistributing it to the less fortunate, or sometimes just lazy. The fact that the bum on the street is paying taxes by buying booze misses the point.
BTW, there were excise taxes on everyday goods and services like "refined sugar, carriages, property sold at auctions, and various legal documents." during the early republic
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