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it will or .... mellei [5719] in Romans 4:24 also in the Greek is in the tense of present reality ....

The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense.
Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English will often occur in the present tense in Greek. These are termed "historical presents," and such occurrences dramatize the event described as if the reader were there watching the event occur. Some English translations render such historical presents in the English past tense, while others permit the tense to remain in the present.

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

The Epistles were explained to me as teaching us how to stay saved.

The Epistles are much more exciting to me today, as I understand them to be reminding the siants how they got saved.

bingo ... it's both.

[SDG]

Maybe Ronzo ... can help us w/ the Hebraic concept of credited ... since Paul did write in Greek but possessed a Hebraic mind ...

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click here for a side by side Word comparison ... English to Greek of Romans 4:24

http://studylight.org/isb/side.cgi?b...&it=nas&ol=grk

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be credited .... 3049.... (Logizomai)

Definition

2. to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
   1. to take into account, to make an account of
      1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
      2. a thing is reckoned as or to be something, i.e. as availing for or equivalent to something, as having the like force and weight
   2. to number among, reckon with
   3. to reckon or account
3. to reckon inward, count up or weigh the reasons, to deliberate
4. by reckoning up all the reasons, to gather or infer
   1. to consider, take into account, weigh, meditate on
   2. to suppose, deem, judge
   3. to determine, purpose, decide

This word deals with reality. If I "logizomai" or reckon that my bank book has in it, it has in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.

Translated Words

KJV (41) - account, 4; count, 5; impute, 8; misc, 5; number, 1; reason, 1; reckon, 6; suppose, 2; think, 9;

NAS (41) - consider, 6; considered, 2; counted, 1; counting, 1; credit, 1; credited, 9; credits, 1; dwell, 1; maintain, 1; numbered, 2; propose, 1; reason, 1; reckoned, 2; regard, 4; regarded, 3; suppose, 1; take into account, 3; thinks,

[Actaeon]

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Originally Posted by Actaeon

yawn

Perhaps we should rely on your string theology ... rather than delve deep in the Word ... or we can regurgitate an early 20th century dogma ... that would sacramentalize the Christ's salvation????

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

click here for a side by side Word comparison ... English to Greek of Romans 4:24

http://studylight.org/isb/side.cgi?b...&it=nas&ol=grk

Thanks for all this, Dan. It will take me awhile to sift through it. I have Esword and have finally learned how to use it!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have eaten with the Goodmans, Carlton Pearson in his height, Jesse Dixion,
Rev. Al, James B. Recktor, Bud Chambers, and many others.

Bud Chambers was a friend in days long gone. He was a sincere man with a dedicated heart for the Lord and a good song writer too. I dearly loved that good man. I counted it my privledge to call him "friend."

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No I would do the same. I am speaking of attending their services or having them on the platform. I have had meals with many well known Trinitarian preachers.

So THAT is fellowship?

I thought fellowship was of the "Spirit."

Suppose it was the other way around. Suppose they attended YOUR services or you sat on THEIR platform. Would THAT be fellowship.

Just trying to understand what you call "fellowship."