Err on the side of caution? - Page 4

MissBrattified · #31 07-02-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I was going to agree with Aquila because it really doesn't matter to me if they want to, but then D4T laid it out there like it really is and I have to say makes much more sense.

Living for God shouldn't be fearful or uncertain.

True, but some people are weaker such as the ones offended by meat-eating in the NT, and it appears that God made concession for their weakness. He didn't condemn them for it.

ForeverBlessed · #32 07-02-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

What's your opinion of "playing it safe, just incase" regarding standards?

I would say that they don’t fully understand that their salvation is not dependent upon anything we can do other than believe and put our trust in him.

I am righteous because HE is righteous and I am “In Christ” having trusted and put my faith in his finished work.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

MissBrattified · #33 07-02-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I would say that they don’t fully understand that their salvation is not dependent upon anything we can do other than believe and put our trust in him.

I think that's very true, FB. That understanding comes only with maturity in Christ, and that growth is stunted in certain environments. I confess that I once had a relationship with God that was largely fear based. It took me a long time to move away from that into a relationship with God where I really *knew* that He loved me, unconditionally.

Apostolics are taught New Testament concepts but introduced to the Old Testament God. "God loves you--but be afraid, be very afraid (to screw up)."

Digging4Truth · #34 07-02-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that's very true, FB. That understanding comes only with maturity in Christ, and that growth is stunted in certain environments. I confess that I once had a relationship with God that was largely fear based. It took me a long time to move away from that into a relationship with God where I really *knew* that He loved me, unconditionally.

Apostolics are taught New Testament concepts but introduced to the Old Testament God. "God loves you--but be afraid, be very afraid (to screw up)."

LOL... well put. God loves you but he will SO kick you to the curb if you mess up.

ForeverBlessed · #35 07-02-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What about these:

James 2:14

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works ? can faith save him?
KJV

Can faith save him? If no works.

James 2:21

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works , when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
KJV

Abraham was justfied by works.

James 2:24

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
KJV

A man is justified by what? works.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation is by faith only PERIOD.

Abraham was righteous because he believed.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

James is basically saying “You say you have Faith?, then prove it” There should be love manifested from your life as God is love, and if you are in Christ… you should also be LOVE in word and action. Fruit should be displayed in your life.

Has absolutely nothing to do with clothes and hair and jumping through hoops for men.

If someone is worried about whether they are making it or not, trying to earn their way by behavior...they just do not have a clear understanding of who they are in Christ.

ForeverBlessed · #36 07-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that's very true, FB. That understanding comes only with maturity in Christ, and that growth is stunted in certain environments. I confess that I once had a relationship with God that was largely fear based. It took me a long time to move away from that into a relationship with God where I really *knew* that He loved me, unconditionally.

Apostolics are taught New Testament concepts but introduced to the Old Testament God. "God loves you--but be afraid, be very afraid (to screw up)."

I agree,

I was there once too.

Liberating to finally understand how much he loves me... freed me to love him more...loving him more, well...that just sets me free to live in love more for Him... a little circle of love....gets better every day.

deadeye · #37 07-02-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim H

I don't believe leadership (I assume you mean the five-fold ministry here) has the authority to make absolutes out of principles. A good leader will provide guidance on how to apply a principle and help the baby grow into maturity so he has the understanding and wisdom form his own relationship with God to know how to apply the principle to his life. (or her, obviously!)

I agree...no absolutes...this is the way we dealt with our children as they were growing up....we presented them with the principle of "say no to drugs"...but when they started cooking meth in their bedroom we simply told them how we felt about it but there was no way that we were going to stunt their personal growth by actually laying down rules.....we just felt that they had to figure it all out for themselves....not to mention they might resent our rules and become bitter.
The rehab, ER, Bails bondsman bills have piled up...not to mention the dental bills (meth eats the teeth away)...and the contractors bill when the lab blew......but we are secure in the knowledge that our children were able to make their own choices and we did not actually lay down any rules...they are not in bondage!!!!..(well..actually I guess jail might be considered bondage...sorta...)

Does ANYone on this forum see the absolute asinine idiocy mentality of the "no absolutes" crowd!!!!...(sidenote...admin I am not calling any names here ..just shooting at a mentality)

By the way...I was using a little sarcasm there....my 2 daughters are great kids...love God ...filled with the Holy Ghost...and absolutely exhausted after a week of senior camp...
My oldest told me on the phone a few minutes ago that she cant wait to get home to her bed and mama's cooking.

Standards · #38 07-02-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

I agree...no absolutes...this is the way we dealt with our children as they were growing up....we presented them with the principle of "say no to drugs"...but when they started cooking meth in their bedroom we simply told them how we felt about it but there was no way that we were going to stunt their personal growth by actually laying down rules.....we just felt that they had to figure it all out for themselves....not to mention they might resent our rules and become bitter.
The rehab, ER, Bails bondsman bills have piled up...not to mention the dental bills (meth eats the teeth away)...and the contractors bill when the lab blew......but we are secure in the knowledge that our children were able to make their own choices and we did not actually lay down any rules...they are not in bondage!!!!..(well..actually I guess jail might be considered bondage...sorta...)

Does ANYone on this forum see the absolute asinine idiocy mentality of the "no absolutes" crowd!!!!...(sidenote...admin I am not calling any names here ..just shooting at a mentality)

By the way...I was using a little sarcasm there....my 2 daughters are great kids...love God ...filled with the Holy Ghost...and absolutely exhausted after a week of senior camp...
My oldest told me on the phone a few minutes ago that she cant wait to get home to her bed and mama's cooking.

That's great. Mama doesn't cook Meth too, does she? j/k