Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Here is the thing though, most modern translation have a wide cross section of views that are brought to the translation. Not just one denomination. So the bias is balanced by varying viewpoints. If the UPCI wanted to produce a study Bible like the Spirit Filled Study Bible or something like that that you know is going to have a twist to it, my daughter has a Justice and Poverty Bible but you know the slant.

The UPCI takes issue with a few passages that don't fit well in their theology, a study Bible would seem to be a better use of time and resources than re-translating passages that would look 99% like every other modern translation. A New Oneness Translation (NOT)would be a public relations nightmare and the label of cult would be hard to shake. It just smacks of the JWs.

And so far there has not been one person put forward that has verifiable credentials in the Oneness camp that could undertake such a task, much less a committee full of them. As much as I love the teachings of Dr. Segraves his education doesn't lend itself to translations, nor does Bernard or Crownover.

Very few translations take into account Unitarians, modalists or arians. A translation where the committee were made up of Oneness would not be unique since most translations are done by committees made up of Trinitarians now..

But it's moot since as far as I know the Oneness movement does not have on hand a number of Hebrew and greek scholars..and I emphasize the word Scholar.

Segraves is not a greek scholar. He knows some greek on a good level but not enough to be considered for serious translation.

However if the OPs want to bring on some of their own with other real greek scholars that are Trinitarian and unitarian then that might prove to be an interesting translation

BTW Nathaniel Urshan was on the NKJV committee. He did not translate anything but was involved in the over all process

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Very few translations take into account Unitarians, modalists or arians. A translation where the committee were made up of Oneness would not be unique since most translations are done by committees made up of Trinitarians now..

But it's moot since as far as I know the Oneness movement does not have on hand a number of Hebrew and greek scholars..and I emphasize the word Scholar.

Segraves is not a greek scholar. He knows some greek on a good level but not enough to be considered for serious translation.

However if the OPs want to bring on some of their own with other real greek scholars that are Trinitarian and unitarian then that might prove to be an interesting translation

BTW Nathaniel Urshan was on the NKJV committee. He did not translate anything but was involved in the over all process

That one comes up from time to time, yet Bro. Urshan has never been named as having served on any of the NKJV committees (http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html#translators) nor, to my knowledge, did he ever make this claim of himself.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Very few translations take into account Unitarians, modalists or arians. A translation where the committee were made up of Oneness would not be unique since most translations are done by committees made up of Trinitarians now..

But it's moot since as far as I know the Oneness movement does not have on hand a number of Hebrew and greek scholars..and I emphasize the word Scholar.

Segraves is not a greek scholar. He knows some greek on a good level but not enough to be considered for serious translation.

However if the OPs want to bring on some of their own with other real greek scholars that are Trinitarian and unitarian then that might prove to be an interesting translation

BTW Nathaniel Urshan was on the NKJV committee. He did not translate anything but was involved in the over all process

OP translators would be like the cardinal that was asked to review the Catholic Translation of the Bible, to make sure everything was translated correctly. They found the cardinal sitting in the floor crying hysterically one day. They rushed to him and ask, "What's the matter, what's the matter?"

He responded, "Oh, oh, oh! It was celebrate not celebate!"

Been Thinkin

[DAII]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

You can get them from his church bookstore. I am not sure what the number is right now. Jerry Ensey has a website www.advanceministries.com which sales them I believe. I visited him a few years ago and bought most of them then. He even had an unpublished mss of the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was on the Dead Sea Scroll Society as well. Degrees, studies Greek at McNeese State, Greek and Hebrew as well at Fort Wayne Bible College, researched paleography at Trinity Dublin College, Th.D. from International Bible Institute and Seminary, awarded Hon D.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary because of his work in mss.

His son Rickey Treece is already preparing for work in this area as well.



I would love too. Come to the conference.

So he has no doctorate but rather an honorary doctorate that is yet to be verified.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Isn't that what Trinitarians are? The sole possessors of truth? That's what they tell me....

I don't think everyone sees the world in shades of Oness vs. Trinity, at least to the degree that you do.

In fact, more and more groups, like Acts 29 and others are emphasizing less on those particulars. Certainly, not to accomodate Oneness Pentecostals, but most definitely in realization that haggling over theological minutia is not priority enough to make it as an Essential belief.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Here is what I see, and correct me if I am wrong, Studied Greek (No degree listed) Studied Hebrew (No degree listed) purchased a degree from IBIS, and an unearned degree from Princeton.

Just to put it in perspective here is what I could list. Studied Hebrew at Umpqua Community College, studied under Lyle Story producer of Greek to Me multimedia tutorial, studied theology at Regent University, earned a JD from Regent University in 2007, studied international law and national security In Strasbourg, France.


All of it is true however I don't read Greek or Hebrew and have not earned a graduate degree in theology.

Yikes.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That one comes up from time to time, yet Bro. Urshan has never been named as having served on any of the NKJV committees (http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html#translators) nor, to my knowledge, did he ever make this claim of himself.

The one glaring point that a lot of us seem to be missing here, in our attempts to conjure up Oneness scholars of repute, is that whenever one of us went after a fully accredited doctorate degree at one of these "premier" institutions - the degree seeker invariably came out of the process as something other than the Oneness Pentecostal they had been at the start of their matriculation.

[Jeffrey]

Talmadge French has a legit degree, though he's neither achieved a PhD, nor are his studies concentrated enough in linguistics that he could be called a scholar.

Does Paul Mooney have a doctorate?

James Hughes and Jeffries hold doctorates, but I'm pretty sure they are not theologically-related and I have no idea where there degrees come from.

Segraves' doctorate is from Western? Is that what someone said?
What about Ensey? Crownover? Norris?

Someone said Nate Wilson has a doctorate, but I believe his was also not theologically-related.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The one glaring point that a lot of us seem to be missing here, in our attempts to conjure up Oneness scholars of repute, is that whenever one of us went after a fully accredited doctorate degree at one of these "premier" institutions - the degree seeker invariably came out of the process as something other than the Oneness Pentecostal they had been at the start of their matriculation.

Often the case.

The dangers of education TIC

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Talmadge French has a legit degree, though he's neither achieved a PhD, nor are his studies concentrated enough in linguistics that he could be called a scholar.

Does Paul Mooney have a doctorate?

James Hughes and Jeffries hold doctorates, but I'm pretty sure they are not theologically-related and I have no idea where there degrees come from.

Segraves' doctorate is from Western? Is that what someone said?
What about Ensey? Crownover? Norris?

Someone said Nate Wilson has a doctorate, but I believe his was also not theologically-related.

Doesn't Jeff Garner have a doctorate ... he's still UPCI