Acts 2: Then and Now

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

yall just sit around being smart when your not even on the right page lol..

i';; keep haveing a good time..

and you still have not posted the scripture that said they were not drunk......
he said just not drunk as ye suppose..

miriam danced before the lord with her tamberine ..david danced when the ark was coming back . as histort states there are somethings were not mentioned as they were just considered known facts.

apostlics shout ,,maybe not every service ,but they do it , always have .....

what the holy ghost came down and they kept sitting there acting smart?? not lol. they acted drunk ..it feels good ,, and i feel.you just need to get it and you will know .

The context says the TONGUES were the reason people said they were drunk. Nothing else. If we want to talk about the same page, get into Acts 2, that same chapter in all our bibles, and see how TONGUES was the entire point. Not dancing, nor wavering and falling down. TONGUES.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The context says the TONGUES were the reason people said they were drunk. Nothing else. If we want to talk about the same page, get into Acts 2, that same chapter in all our bibles, and see how TONGUES was the entire point. Not dancing, nor wavering and falling down. TONGUES.

I've never considered anyone drunk who's spoken in foreign languages. For instance, hearing someone speak French doesn't make me question their sobriety.

[JoeHardy07]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I've never considered anyone drunk who's spoken in foreign languages. For instance, hearing someone speak French doesn't make me question their sobriety.

You'd think so if your mother started speaking french...fluently...and you knew for sure that she never took a french lesson in her life...your thinking in an Apostolic frame of mind. These men were foreign unbelievers listening to ignorant folks speaking all the languages of the world...fluently...an they didn't know this was the work of the Holy Ghost...so what was the only plausible explaination..drunkeness.

PasorRick - "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day."

"as ye suppose" is off set by commas. This is important. Look at these two sentences.

A. These men are not drunk, like you think.

B. These men are not drunk like you think.


Notice the comma in A. Gives it a whole different meaning than B.


A. You think these men are drunk. They are not.

B. These men are drunk, but not the way you think.


Sentence A is Peter's words exactly. Not sentence B.

That's pretty clear to me. And like I've said before, my point is only solidified by the ABSENCE of all our modern day ideas about the signs of the Spirit.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I've never considered anyone drunk who's spoken in foreign languages. For instance, hearing someone speak French doesn't make me question their sobriety.

That is why the people said the men were drunk with NEW WINE. Something different.

“To escape the absurdity of acknowledging their own ignorance, they adopted the theory that strong drink can teach languages” (Dr. McLelland)

[pastorrick1959]

give me any spirit filled church that shouts and worships god anyday .. we had 3 miralces tonight ,,,god is moveing mighty .. show me a church that has the true manifested power of god moveing and changeing lives ,and you will show me and worshipping praiseing church everytime.

ive been to those that ,think they know how to dot every i AND CROSS every T
correctly all the time ..not that thats a bad thing its not ....actulally a good thing ..
but they get so caught up in that ,they forget a move of god .......so when their folks get down and need a a boost guess where they show up? thats right our place ,, then they go back refreshed ....

[JoeHardy07]

You are evading the point.

[JoeHardy07]

Cut the crazy shouting and loud music, and what have you got? Quite. Faith alone that God will do something. Acts 4 - God shook the building, not the people.

Why do "they" come to your services? Because you have fast music pumped worship and "Holy Ghost" fire (uncontrolled emotions). They could go to a rock concert and get pumped, yo...which is basically what a "good" Pentecostal service is...they just keep their clothes on and have covering towels for the women with splayed legs who are thrown? across the floor by God's Spirit...?

Again...not recorded in Acts. I'm not trying to be smart...any child could read Acts and find reason for question...

And I didnt forget the slow moving services either...the slow emotional music serves for tear jerking...again, it happens at rock concerts...it's an art...

And don't even get me started on the silence broken by a sister screaming forth tongues followed by a brother's interpretation with the booming voice (of God) pleading with prodigals to return...Never. Happened. Once. In the Bible.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Maybe some people but not ALL. I agree with LadyRev. When I hear tongues called heavenly languages, I think it is because the utterance is given by God and not because it is a language God and the angels speak in heaven. Frog, you can't speak for All people, you can only speak to what you know unless you are an authority on the subject and have spoken to everyone who refers to tongues as a heavenly language and they have All specifically told you that the heavenly language is "heavenly" not because it comes from God but because it is a language spoken in heaven and not a known language spoken on earth by men. LadyRev explained to you why she thinks tongues is referred to as heavenly languages and you are saying she is wrong. Her opinion can't be wrong since it is her opinion. Some folks might agree with what you say and teach what you say, but imho, they are SOME and not ALL. Some folks call tongues a heavenly language for the exact reason that LadyRev gave. I don't see how you can say she is wrong unless you have heard EVERYONE who has ever called tongues a heavenly language give the same reason you gave.

My use of the word "always" probably made what I said not literally true. I'll give you that. But let me explain myself because I believe the spirit behind my words was true.

LadyRev originally said this:

Originally Posted by LadyRev

As for the topic of this thread...
Among Christians, anything that is HUMANLY impossible can very easily be referred to as HEAVENLY. So when people talk about a "heavenly language", it means that it is something that comes from heaven, in other words, something from God. This is an accurate description of "speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance."

The bible says every good and perfect GIFT comes from above. What does "above" mean? Something from heaven, something from God.

As for no reference in Acts using the words "heavenly language"...
Just because its not recorded in Acts in black and white doesn't make it wrong. You want to split hairs over terminology? If so, there are alot of examples of terms we use that are no where to be found in scripture.

The topic of the thread was this:

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

2. We do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Everytime someone recieves the "Holy Ghost" nowadays, they speak in a "heavenly language," just like in Acts 2, right?

Wrong.

In Acts chapter 2 the tongues were not a "heavenly" language. They were earthly languages. We can argue all day about this, but the Word is very clear. What those onlookers heard were the tongues of earth. The substance of those words was heavenly (praise to God) but the words themselves were undeniably earthly.

So, who invented the idea that the intial evidence of recieving the Holy Ghost is speaking in a "heavenly" language?



That's all I can think of right now. Maybe more later.


God Bless!

After reading the original thread and then LadyRev's statement, especially the part where she accused the author of wanting to split hairs over terminology, it became apparent to me that she didn't seem to know how the author was using the term heavenly languages because he clearly wasn't splitting hairs over referring to tongues as heavenly languages. So, I tried to explain to her how the author meant the term and how I believed most everyone else she runs into will mean it. Of course, using the word "always" probably made what I said not literally true, but it still helped emphasize the importance of being aware that there was a different definition of heavenly language than hers that she would fairly often run into.

EDIT: I have actually never heard the term "heavenly language" used in any other way than as I defined it.

[pastorrick1959]

[QUOTE=JoeHardy07;]Cut the crazy shouting and loud music, and what have you got? Quite. Faith alone that God will do something. Acts 4 - God shook the building, not the people.

Why do "they" come to your services? Because you have fast music pumped worship and "Holy Ghost" fire (uncontrolled emotions). They could go to a rock concert and get pumped, yo...which is basically what a "good" Pentecostal service is...they just keep their clothes on and have covering towels for the women with splayed legs who are thrown? across the floor by God's Spirit...?

Again...not recorded in Acts. I'm not trying to be smart...any child could read Acts and find reason for question...

And I didnt forget the slow moving services either...the slow emotional music serves for tear jerking...again, it happens at rock concerts...it's an art...

And don't even get me started on the silence broken by a sister screaming forth tongues followed by a brother's interpretation with the booming voice (of God) pleading with prodigals to return...Never. Happened. Once. In the Bible.[/ I FEEL VERY SORRY ,,for you . i pray whaver has warped your thinking god can repair it . i am done with this thread. i hope i never get as smart as you ..

[JoeHardy07]

LOL!