Acts 2: Then and Now - Page 3

pastorrick1959 · #21 06-26-2010, 11:00 AM

[JoeHardy07]Hey guys,

Need to apologize to ya! Didn't mean to cause a ruckus. Just trying to get some opinions of why and how these things came into the church.

However, I have to stand firm on my own opinions. I'm not deceiving myself. Peter did in fact deny they were drunk. The problem with that passage is this: the way it's written makes it subject to being twisted to mean anything. And my argument is solid because in the half dozen out-pouring recordings there is not a single mention of any of our "drunken activities." I understand what was said about not following scripture to a T, but dont you think that with a half dozen recordings that at least once in there the jirating and screaming would have been mentioned?

ABSOLUTELY WE DISAGREE...PETER NEVER DENIED THEY WERE DRUNK .. post it scripture and verse.. does a person have to shout and dance around nope,, but it sure feels good. and he said glorify god in your body and your spirit .. this body is all we got to praise him with. if you choose not too then fine ...but why dog out others that do like it .. you have your opinion no matter how far in left field i believe it is ,,and your enitiled to it. but why drag others down or put what they do down...?? i feel it is to make you feel better about not haveing real holy ghost fire . or a burning desire to worship. i am not saying you dont love god i am sure you do ...you simply have a calmer approach and dont like the wilder churches .. thats fine .. there a pentecostal ,smart bible readers class church just for you somewhere.. however you might not want to come to decherd tenn. its gonna get loud and its gonna get wild to some degree anyhow lol.

It isn't.

And I totally agree with the "all things in common" comment. Seems like no one ever reaches that part when billowing about the great and wonderful Holy Ghost of Acts chapter 2...lol...always seem to leave that part out...

What happens after a Holy Ghost service nowadays? Anyone who can afford it meets up for a fine meal and fellowship at McDs or whatever. Ha ha!ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS?

As far as a lively church and falling asleep amidst a bunch of dead-heads, that's the flesh talking. We think if the music is not loud and fast, and the people are not jirating acroos the floor, that God's Spirit is not there. Bummer. That sure isnt what's recorded in Acts.flesh talking? NO EXPERIENCE been there done that ...i like crying services where conviction is all over folks and slow songs is that bad too? i like teaching service where we do just sit and learn . i like it all bro. you cant just do one thing and have a well balanced meal.

By the way, does anyone know what the angel did after he rolled away the stone from Jesus tomb? That dead-head sat on it!! The presence of God was all around and that dead-head hopped up on top of that stone and sat on it!!! (Matt 28:2). Now if he can't dance and shout down here in the presence of God...how's he gona dance in heaven??? he might have sat down because he was tired from shouting....

Hey, thanks for bringing up Holy Laughter too. Forgot about that one! LOL![/QUOTE]

now go drink fronm the well., that never shall run dry one more time!

JoeHardy07 · #22 06-26-2010, 12:36 PM

Wasn't trying to dog anyone about their ideas of self expression. Just seen too many dogged for NOT being ecstatic. Wondering why...when it's not even mentioned in reference to any of the Holy Ghost encounters in Acts.

I don't question what IS written. I question what is NOT written; what has been inserted between the lines...or otherwise invented over time.

We know Peter denied drunkeness, because it's plainly written.

We know the tongues were earthly, because it's plainly written.

We don't if they were dancing, shouting, laughing, and reeling; because it is NOT written...at all...not even vaguely mentioned...

The angel was probably tired from pushing the stone out of the way, but we don't know, because it's not stated. So, I couldn't teach it for truth.

Peter said they were not drunk - Pentecostals say they were.

Acts states the tongues were earthly - Pentecostals say they were the language of heaven, unknown to any man on earth.

Acts states that the disciples were seated - Pentecostals say stand and shout the Holy Ghost down.

Acts states the Holy Ghost came suddenly - Pentecostal services gradually build to a climax.

Joel states the signs of the out-pouring are visions, dreams and prophecy - Pentecostals say the signs of the out-pouring are heavenly languages (la la la le le le...himo t' kabe nay-shu tee hah), being slain in the spirit, holy laughter, sobbing, wailing moaning, running jumping, and shaking noobs into tongues.

I win.

SteppingStone · #23 06-26-2010, 12:50 PM

shag · #24 06-26-2010, 01:41 PM

Samuel 1:12 As she kept on praying to the LORD, Eli observed her mouth. 13 Hannah was praying in her heart, and her lips were moving but her voice was not heard. Eli thought she was drunk 14 and said to her, "How long will you keep on getting drunk? Get rid of your wine."

15 "Not so, my lord," Hannah replied, "I am a woman who is deeply troubled. I have not been drinking wine or beer; I was pouring out my soul to the LORD. 16 Do not take your servant for a wicked woman; I have been praying here out of my great anguish and grief."

Hannah was also accused of being drunk. Was she acting like she was drunk like some assume they must have been acting in Acts 2? NO. She was ONLY accused of being drunk because her lips were moving and her voice was not heard. Similiarly, in Acts 2, they VERY likely were NOT stumbling around annebriated, but just speaking in a manner that was unheard of(yet comprehended languages), and therefore folks thought they might be tippin the bottle, just like Eli thought Hannah had been doing.

shag · #25 06-26-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

when ya get done with your popcorn, get in here and get yer hands dirty!

mfblume · #26 06-26-2010, 02:50 PM

The drunkenness was accused in Acts 2 by the onlookers since they saw the people speaking in tongues. Nothing else.

JoeHardy07 · #27 06-26-2010, 04:00 PM

Good posts! Exactly what I'm trying to argue.

But why were all of these things made up, and when did we start teaching them as doctrine and "truth?"

mfblume · #28 06-26-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

Good posts! Exactly what I'm trying to argue.

But why were all of these things made up, and when did we start teaching them as doctrine and "truth?"

People do not follow context, I think. They see the word DRUNK, and do not stop to notice WHY the onlookers mentioned the thought, and simply throw into the fray what THEY think DRUNK people do. There's so many instances like that where the same thing is done that it scares me for some people.

SteppingStone · #29 06-26-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

when ya get done with your popcorn, get in here and get yer hands dirty!

It all boils down to spiritual immaturity, even on the Pastors part..

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

People really should pray in tongues at home in private for the sake of the unlearned and for the sake of the unbeliever.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

The problem is many go to church to edify themselves instead of seeking to edify others. Part of the blame is on the ministry for allowing everyone to be so co-dependent on them, the other part of the blame is on the members themselves for staying in the infant stage..

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

People should exhibit authority and control over themselves and their spirits because God is not the author of confusion..

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Or if people wanna be carnal while "Acting Spiritual" then let them be such.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

It's time to grow up and think of others that are without...

pastorrick1959 · #30 06-26-2010, 06:44 PM

yall just sit around being smart when your not even on the right page lol..

i';; keep haveing a good time..

and you still have not posted the scripture that said they were not drunk......
he said just not drunk as ye suppose..

miriam danced before the lord with her tamberine ..david danced when the ark was coming back . as histort states there are somethings were not mentioned as they were just considered known facts.

apostlics shout ,,maybe not every service ,but they do it , always have .....

what the holy ghost came down and they kept sitting there acting smart?? not lol. they acted drunk ..it feels good ,, and i feel.you just need to get it and you will know .