How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost? - Page 31

noeticknight · #**301** 06-04-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I don't believe in initial evidence and I'm starting to think there isn't a good way to explain the verses in Acts about the Holy Ghost. It's like no matter which door I take to try and explain the accounts of the Holy Ghost in Acts I am always left with a less than great explanation.

Hence, the debates continue. Unfortunately, the scriptures are very ambiguous about it, otherwise, we could get a consensus on this thing...

NOT!

easter · #**302** 06-04-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I don't believe in initial evidence and I'm starting to think there isn't a good way to explain the verses in Acts about the Holy Ghost. It's like no matter which door I take to try and explain the accounts of the Holy Ghost in Acts I am always left with a less than great explanation.

Please do continue explaining Acts 2
I'm not debating I am trying to understand on a different view

jfrog · #**303** 06-04-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by noeticknight

Hence, the debates continue. Unfortunately, the scriptures are very ambiguous about it, otherwise, we could get a consensus on this thing...

NOT!

Haha.

jfrog · #**304** 06-04-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by easter

Please do continue explaining Acts 2
I'm not debating I am trying to understand on a different view

I'll elaborate on my current understanding. Though I must warn you, I am not a Christian...

jfrog · #**305** 06-04-2010, 11:10 PM

Acts 8

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

This shows that receiving the Holy Ghost can happen post baptism. This is a very important concept. This shows that what many churches speak of as receiving the Holy Ghost is not the same thing as what the book of Acts is speaking of when it talks about receiving the Holy Ghost (because what they talk about is never a post baptism reception of the Holy Ghost).

So now we have our first major piece to the puzzle.

Jack Shephard · #**306** 06-04-2010, 11:11 PM

Whoa lots of pages here. I haven't posted on this thread in several days. Is the majority here saying tongues=HS or that the HS enters at acceptance of Jesus as saviour?

jfrog · #**307** 06-04-2010, 11:24 PM

easter, now its time for our next puzzle piece.

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

I'll leave it to you to figure out exactly what this verse is about. But the important part for us is that some of those that were filled with the Holy Ghost had already been filled in Acts 2. This brings us to our second puzzle piece: The Holy Ghost in Acts can fill the same person multiple times.

Jack Shephard · #**308** 06-04-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

easter, now its time for our next puzzle piece.

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

I'll leave it to you to figure out exactly what this verse is about. But the important part for us is that some of those that were filled with the Holy Ghost had already been filled in Acts 2. This brings us to our second puzzle piece: The Holy Ghost in Acts can fill the same person multiple times.

I know that this wasn't post for ME, but I want to respond. I read this grammatically, or so I was taught. The part in bold is between a semi-colon and a comma. When that happens the statement generally descridbes something. Like "David was wearing a hat, a blue hat, and it was awful and huge..." the statement in between the puncuation can be left out, but you might not get all the details if you omit it. So to me the verse above read like this. "And they prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; OH AND THEY WERE FILLED WITH THE HOLYGHOST, (and because of the that) they spake with boldness" Of course I edited it, but that is how I read it basically. I don't think it was "they were speaking in tongues, so they spake with boldness." That wouldn't make much sense. Just saying...

notofworks · #**309** 06-04-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Whoa lots of pages here. I haven't posted on this thread in several days. Is the majority here saying tongues=HS or that the HS enters at acceptance of Jesus as saviour?

I have no interest in the majority but the correct people, the people that understand the depth of the grace of Jesus Christ, are saying that the Holy Spirit infills us when we believe on Christ.

mizpeh · #**310** 06-05-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I have no interest in the majority but the correct people, the people that understand the depth of the grace of Jesus Christ, are saying that the Holy Spirit infills us when we believe on Christ.

How do you explain those clear examples in the book of Acts of believers who do not receive the Spirit when then believe but have to wait? Like Acts 8, the Samaritans. Or Acts 19, the disciples in Ephesus. Or the apostle Paul?

And how do you explain Paul's question in Acts 19 when he asked the disciples if they had received the Spirit when/since they believed.