Ministries for women porn addicts

[Jeffrey]

Am I too cynical to believe the people protesting so loudly about role playing have far worse sexual sin on their hands? Yup, probably just cynicism.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Am I too cynical to believe the people protesting so loudly about role playing have far worse sexual sin on their hands? Yup, probably just cynicism.

I'm confused how we got from porn addicts to roleplaying...

I've been sort of following the thread, but have skimmed most of the long posts. Feel like I missed some shift in the topic somewhere...lol

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I love how being righteous for some is just a matter of the will. Like a New Year's Resolution.

All the wet blankets are coming out

No, we have to exercise self-control, and where that ends, the power of God to be an overcomer begins. I Corinthians 10:13 says that God makes a way of escape. If that's true, then we never have an excuse to sin. We might have a reason or a justification, but ultimately we are responsible for our choices. Human weakness leads to us giving in to our flesh, but if we walk after the Spirit, we will NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh. Grace teaches us to be righteous. It helps us keep trying, keep going until we "get it."

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I'm confused how we got from porn addicts to roleplaying...

I've been sort of following the thread, but have skimmed most of the long posts. Feel like I missed some shift in the topic somewhere...lol

lol catch up already!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Am I too cynical to believe the people protesting so loudly about role playing have far worse sexual sin on their hands? Yup, probably just cynicism.

Did you consider the possibility that some people may have struggled with things in the past that causes them to avoid certain triggers in the present?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, we have to exercise self-control, and where that ends, the power of God to be an overcomer begins. I Corinthians 10:13 says that God makes a way of escape. If that's true, then we never have an excuse to sin. We might have a reason or a justification, but ultimately we are responsible for our choices. Human weakness leads to us giving in to our flesh, but if we walk after the Spirit, we will NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh. Grace teaches us to be righteous. It helps us keep trying, keep going until we "get it."

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yes, God will help you "endure" or "go through it." This is right before a warning about not being so self-confident and learning by those who have gone before us.

This obedience comes by a life in the Spirit, not by a strong human will. All they have accomplished is asceticism. But a life in the Spirit has acted out and displayed a mature faith.

In context, Paul makes it clear (even to the fornicating Corinthians) that this isn't an issue dangling them over hell's flames. This is about being mature, growing and becoming in Christ. I do agree, lazy, habitual sin leads to unbelief.

However, the topic remains, that what some are calling sin, other's aren't so sure it's sinful.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Did you consider the possibility that some people may have struggled with things in the past that causes them to avoid certain triggers in the present?

In my dealing with people, unfortunately, I've seen the many that were most adamant about people's guilt had secret sin eventually confessed later. I can recall 3 examples of this specifically. Then again, you could also be right. I just think those that struggled and made it through would have more of a cautious, compassionate and merciful tone.

Sex. Gotta love the subject. Always stirs people up hehe

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Yes, God will help you "endure" or "go through it." This is right before a warning about not being so self-confident and learning by those who have gone before us.

This obedience comes by a life in the Spirit, not by a strong human will. All they have accomplished is asceticism. But a life in the Spirit has acted out and displayed a mature faith.

In context, Paul makes it clear (even to the fornicating Corinthians) that this isn't an issue dangling them over hell's flames. This is about being mature, growing and becoming in Christ. I do agree, lazy, habitual sin leads to unbelief.

Can you elaborate on how Paul makes it clear that fornication isn't sin?

However, the topic remains, that what some are calling sin, other's aren't so sure it's sinful.

We have multiple things being brought up on this thread. However, there is a common theme--self-gratification, viewing pornography and fantasizing while having sex are all things that require a person to find sexual satisfaction in someone OTHER than a spouse. I think that's what's being objected to, and there is a blurred line with the role playing. Apparently some people don't just put on sexy outfits--they actually pretend their spouse is someone else. IMO, that's wrong.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Can you elaborate on how Paul makes it clear that fornication isn't sin?

I never said Paul didn't include fornication as sin. I will explain what I meant though... in a moment.

We have multiple things being brought up on this thread. However, there is a common theme--self-gratification, viewing pornography and fantasizing while having sex are all things that require a person to find sexual satisfaction in someone OTHER than a spouse. I think that's what's being objected to, and there is a blurred line with the role playing. Apparently some people don't just put on sexy outfits--they actually pretend their spouse is someone else. IMO, that's wrong. Fair enough. Some aren't that far either. Some feel like pretending to be a secretary is a sin against God. The only scripture we have about these thoughts in the context of marriage (visualizing/fantasizing) is Matthew 5 which has been treated clumsily by Bible Study groups everywhere. However, in principle, I think you have a point... just not sure I can put an exclamation mark on it. The tone on this post from the others has been bold and exclamatory. Just can't go that far... sorry.

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[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

In my dealing with people, unfortunately, I've seen the many that were most adamant about people's guilt had secret sin eventually confessed later. I can recall 3 examples of this specifically. Then again, you could also be right. I just think those that struggled and made it through would have more of a cautious, compassionate and merciful tone.

Sex. Gotta love the subject. Always stirs people up hehe

I've seen that, too. I don't think that's as much a factor on this thread, since it's up for discussion and people are expressing their opinions, which were basically requested. Generally speaking, those who have struggled the most might have more "hangups", but that doesn't invalidate their views. Compassion sometimes comes in the form of trying to help others avoid the pitfalls you've tripped over yourself. In general, sex has at least one clear boundary: marriage. Sexual purity requires that we restrict ourselves to that arena, first and foremost.

I still stand by my original statement: Within a marriage, couples can enjoy one another freely, as long as they are avoiding immoral, criminal or injurious behavior.