Ok, Now I Will Plea "Race"...

[StillStanding]

There are some whites who are against Obama because of race, just as some blacks voted for Obama because of race. Both cases are equally racist! Racism a double edged sword.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, "most legal scholars" did not question the way it was done. You made that part up. Either issuing the arrest warrant was a Constitutional act by the Supreme Court of Honduras or it wasn't.

I see though that you have taken a big step back from your charges of "treason."

I did not make any thing up!

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/hond...zelaya-ouster-

"Finally, members of the American Association of Jurists, the National Lawyer's Guild, the International Association of Democratic Lawyers and the International Association against Torture conclude their report by calling upon the international community to echo efforts toward the restoration of democratic order in Honduras, and ultimately the region, by concertedly promoting the unconditional return of President Manuel Zelaya."



If you want to read more about how I came to my conclusion, follow the links below.


http://www.nd.edu/~ndlaw/news/ASIL.pdf



http://www.americasquarterly.org/node/692




http://www.as-coa.org/article.php?id=1735


http://www.telesurtv.net/solotexto/n...p?ckl=53054-NN



http://www.as-coa.org/files/N0938660.pdf

http://ww4report.com/node/7799 -- (informative, but appears too anti-republican)


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5345627.shtml


http://www.americasquarterly.org/node/1449

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

There are some whites who are against Obama because of race, just as some blacks voted for Obama because of race. Both cases are equally racist! Racism a double edged sword.

bingo!!! Some are just in denial.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

JD

What "Republicans taking stances that seem insulting to many blacks" are you refering to??

BUMP again

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

There are some whites who are against Obama because of race, just as some blacks voted for Obama because of race. Both cases are equally racist! Racism a double edged sword.

Basically, this is the crux of my starting this thread.


The idea of "state militias in Oklahoma" was what made me speak out against the littany of stuff the President has endured.

If you read my first post, there is NOT a blanket statement demonizing the whole state of Oklahoma, or all white people, or all critics of the President and/or his policies.



I have clearly stated on many other threads that yes, I think the "race card" is overused.

However, there are occasions where you can't throw out race as a contributor or agitation to a pressing issue or situation, especially when you have examples of clear disrespect for the President.


GWB had to earn the rampant disrespect he endured his last two or three years in office.

BHO started off, before his first year had ever ended, enduring disrepect.


I mentioned (not by name) Senator DeMint R-SC and the delegation he led to Honduras and all the actions that led up to that decision.

I called DeMin't actions treason because DeMint's actions showed "disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior" when he publicly advised the Honduran coup leaders to defy America's call to restore the democratically-elected President back to power.

He did this on his web page, through his words and finally, through his actions.

DeMint's actions showed disloyalty to the President, and thus to the country, on an international stage.

DeMin't actions would be classified as treason, by definiton.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Respect is not automatic it has to be earned and Obama has not earned one ouce of respect except for those who are blind or just don't care. He is bent on controlling every part of our lives.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

BUMP again

This thread is not about that point in particular, but I will entertain you.


The problem though is that even if I never come up with one shred of proof for this, it does not mean that nothing else I have posted is true or not true.

That matter at hand is what I posted in the first post of this thread.




What many Republicans fail to realize is that in their zeal to be conservative, they often hurt the middle-class and poorer Americans.

How long does it take for "trickle-down economics" to make a noticeable affect on the plight and every day lives of the American middle class and poorer?

However, if local governments had more support from the State and Federal levels, then programs that help the middle class and poorer aren't diminished or cut.

Yes, there are many poor whites in America, but statistically, there are more blacks in America who would be considered poor, or living at the "poverty" level.

So when Republicans make stances that cut the support network that people use to raise themselves up, it is viewed with anger.

With some blacks, they see the GOP as the party of white people and a few "oreo" black people.

With many blacks, they see the GOP as the party of RICH white people.


With many whites, they see the GOP as the party of rich white people!


I have talked with blacks and whites who balk at the GOP in general because of the perceived "lack of concern" for lower wage earning people.


In fact, I was personally insulted by a white man, living in SE DC who said, "I have no tolerance for black people who dislike other black people"-- referring to black Republicans like myself.

Did he misunderstand me? HECK YEAH, but where he was coming from, that is how he views the GOP in general. Plus, he was definitely old enough to experience the flight of the "Dixiecrats" to the GOP-- the "Dixiecrats" were the Democrats who were notoriously racist in their opinions.



Does this make any clearer what I am trying to convey here?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

GWB had to earn the rampant disrespect he endured his last two or three years in office.

BHO started off, before his first year had ever ended, enduring disrepect.

Bush was disrespected before he got into office. Again it's politics, not racism. As for BO, the criticism, you call it disrespect, was not "he is a black man, never elect a black man"....it's all political

I mentioned (not by name) Senator DeMint R-SC and the delegation he led to Honduras and all the actions that led up to that decision.

How does this prove having a state militia is racism against Obana?

I called DeMin't actions treason because DeMint's actions showed "disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior" when he publicly advised the Honduran coup leaders to defy America's call to restore the democratically-elected President back to power

What does this have to do with Racism or Militias?

He did this on his web page, through his words and finally, through his actions.

DeMint's actions showed disloyalty to the President, and thus to the country, on an international stage.

DeMin't actions would be classified as treason, by definiton.

This is a red herring. If you want to try the man, do it, but how does this tie into racism or militias? For that matter, why does a Republican have to be loyal to a democrat just because he is president? Loyal to the constitution? Sure, but the president? What does this all have to do with anything? What about Burtha, was he loyal?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Respect is not automatic it has to be earned and Obama has not earned one ouce of respect except for those who are blind or just don't care. He is bent on controlling every part of our lives.

Well as the elected President of the United States, he does rate respect by nature of his position.


I can guarantee that if a Republican had been elected, you would not be making that statement.


It took YEARS for GWB to EARN the disdain by so many Independents, Democrats and some of his own fellow GOP'ers.


YEARS, not months.


There are others who your exact statement based on his race, and they will never respect him as a man or otherwise. This is what I am trying to say.

For some people, his race is the icing on the cake for disrespecting him as the President of the U.S., for some it is the whole cake.

I would say the majority of Americans who criticize him are not racist, as I have already clearly stated, but to do away with his race in describing the tenor of the criticisms leveled at him by more than a few, is disengenious.


Is what I'm saying clear to you?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This thread is not about that point in particular, but I will entertain you.


The problem though is that even if I never come up with one shred of proof for this, it does not mean that nothing else I have posted is true or not true.

That matter at hand is what I posted in the first post of this thread.




What many Republicans fail to realize is that in their zeal to be conservative, they often hurt the middle-class and poorer Americans.

How long does it take for "trickle-down economics" to make a noticeable affect on the plight and every day lives of the American middle class and poorer?

However, if local governments had more support from the State and Federal levels, then programs that help the middle class and poorer aren't diminished or cut.

Yes, there are many poor whites in America, but statistically, there are more blacks in America who would be considered poor, or living at the "poverty" level.

So when Republicans make stances that cut the support network that people use to raise themselves up, it is viewed with anger.

With some blacks, they see the GOP as the party of white people and a few "oreo" black people.

With many blacks, they see the GOP as the party of RICH white people.


With many whites, they see the GOP as the party of rich white people!


I have talked with blacks and whites who balk at the GOP in general because of the perceived "lack of concern" for lower wage earning people.


In fact, I was personally insulted by a white man, living in SE DC who said, "I have no tolerance for black people who dislike other black people"-- referring to black Republicans like myself.

Did he misunderstand me? HECK YEAH, but where he was coming from, that is how he views the GOP in general. Plus, he was definitely old enough to experience the flight of the "Dixiecrats" to the GOP-- the "Dixiecrats" were the Democrats who were notoriously racist in their opinions.



Does this make any clearer what I am trying to convey here?

trickle down economics means more jobs for the poor and middle class. You don't believe that? Take a look at Detroit. Look at California. It's business 101...you operate in a place that is cheapest. By taxing these businesses they have chased them out of California.

What about Democrats? They want an added "value" tax on all goods...the poor will have to pay that tax as much as anyone. The poor have to pay every state and federal tax on gasoline. The democratic rich elite don't give a hoot about the poor. What they want is an elitist society where everyone has health care that stinks, but them. Everyone takes public transportation, but them. Those that can afford cars of the middle class drive tiny wind up cars while they drive their benz.

Hyper inflation, by barrowing billions of dollars, will only hurt the poor

Democrats are no champions of the middle class and poor. They just act like they are because that is where their votes come from