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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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Yes.
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I will answer it. This is honest. If you feel that you should give the source that is fine. If you don't that is fine too. If I hear someone preach and say oh man so and so preached that at BOTT or Camp Meeting then I wouldn't care at all. These times that I have done this I did mention something like this " I heard a message on this topic once and here is my thoughts on it. " But I didn't feel obligated to do so. I just did it. Had I not done that no one would have cared at all or if they did I wouldn't have cared if they cared.
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04-21-2010, 01:05 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
oh hope that helped.
I am heading home from work so good night all. I might get back on after I hit the gym, but might not. I need to listen to some preaching to get ideas incase I am asked to preach again soon.....j/k
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04-21-2010, 01:06 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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I will answer it. This is honest. If you feel that you should give the source that is fine. If you don't that is fine too. If I hear someone preach and say oh man so and so preached that at BOTT or Camp Meeting then I wouldn't care at all. These times that I have done this I did mention something like this " I heard a message on this topic once and here is my thoughts on it. " But I didn't feel obligated to do so. I just did it. Had I not done that no one would have cared at all or if they did I wouldn't have cared if they cared.
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Well, I've said plenty on this tonight.
Your opinion remains unchanged, and mine remains more firm than ever 
Good night and happy sermon stealing! 
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04-21-2010, 01:07 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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oh hope that helped.
I am heading home from work so good night all. I might get back on after I hit the gym, but might not. I need to listen to some preaching to get ideas incase I am asked to preach again soon.....j/k
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Not really.
Just wanted to know why WOULDN'T someone cite a source, other than forgetting, being ignorant or being lazy?
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04-21-2010, 01:08 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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Well, I've said plenty on this tonight.
Your opinion remains unchanged, and mine remains more firm than ever
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U got it...' go with God'....I heard a preacher say that once and wanted to give him credit, whomever it was.
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04-21-2010, 01:09 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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Not really.
Just wanted to know why WOULDN'T someone cite a source, other than forgetting, being ignorant or being lazy?
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I would site the source if I thought it needed to be cited otherwise there is no purpose. Not everything that is taught needs the source quoted
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04-21-2010, 01:10 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
I feel credit is really only an issue when it is a scholarly work or if someone is falsely claiming a thought as original.
I would prefer that pretty much everything that comes over the pulpit be well documented and the result of systematic study by other scholars as well as the one delivering... but that really is another subject I guess.
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04-21-2010, 01:17 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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I feel credit is really only an issue when it is a scholarly work or if someone is falsely claiming a thought as original.
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Those are reasonable parameters. 
And sometimes imitation is complimentary--my Dad used to say "All means all" a lot, especially in reference to scripture. (I'm sure he's not the only preacher to say that.) My pastor now says it from the pulpit occasionally, and usually gives a grin in my direction or at my Mom to let us know that he's paying a little tribute.
I think we can agree that those types of things aren't plagiarism. 
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04-21-2010, 01:21 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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I would site the source if I thought it needed to be cited otherwise there is no purpose. Not everything that is taught needs the source quoted
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"Everything that is taught" meaning ideas/concepts, or word-for-word outline sermons and paragraph quotes?
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04-21-2010, 01:24 AM
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Re: Twitter-TF Tenney at Jentezn Franklin's 2morro
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I feel credit is really only an issue when it is a scholarly work or if someone is falsely claiming a thought as original.
I would prefer that pretty much everything that comes over the pulpit be well documented and the result of systematic study by other scholars as well as the one delivering... but that really is another subject I guess.
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Scholarly work - agree.
Falsely claiming a thought as original - this can be done implicitly or explicitly.
I would prefer the study one does to have the influence and input of scholarship as well. Not all of this deduction requires the citations that go into a theological paper. That's not the subject here (at least primarily). What is, is when a minister will practically preach another sermon he's heard almost verbatim without honoring his brother at all. Therefore, he is implicitly misleading the congregation and claiming his thought is original.
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